Color video of Berlin 1936, with a VW bug?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwO30VlJscY

IS that a VW bug precisely at 4:00? Freeze your video at 4:00, and
review.

It looks like one, except the spare tire on the trunk would make that
incorrect.

Anyone who knows their German history enough to know if the early
models had spare tires on the trunk, fill us in.

BTW, Hitler was framed. www.adolfthegreat.com

It is indeed possible that the vehicle you found is a VW3 prototype.

Hitler became chancellor in February 1933 and declared his intention
to get Germany "motoring" at the '33 Berlin Auto Show. He announced
the "people's car" concept... a vehicle that could transport two
adults and three children, sustain 80 km/h (60 mph), deliver fuel
economy of 14 km/L (33 mpg) and cost about 1,000 ReichMarks... at the
'34 Berlin Auto Show. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche doubted that the price
could be met, but he considered Hitler's specifications to be a
challenge and undertook the project, which he designated Typ 60.

Porsche had previously worked on some other small cars that used many
elements later to be included in the Beetle. The Typ 32 prototype NSU
of 1934 was an air-cooled rear-engined four-cylinder horizontally
opposed powered car that used torsion bar suspension and featured
beetle-like styling. Many of the Typ 60 components were derived from
the NSU design.

A Typ 60 prototype was reportedly unveiled during the Nazi party
convention at Nuremberg during the first week of September 1934. Leni
Riefenstahl's documentary of that event ("Triumph des Willens")
reportedly has an image of that prototype, but I have yet to find that
image.

By late 1935, the first prototypes were on the autobahns; the V1
saloon and a convertible V2, which had aluminum bodies mounted over
traditional wooden frameworks. In 1936, steel bodies mounted over all-
steel floorpans were used for the VW3 revision... powered by a 984cc,
22bhp engine that could reach a top speed of around 65 mph. Another 30
prototypes were then made by Daimler-Benz who was not keen to make
such a cheap car as they thought it would damage their high-class
reputation.

An image of the VW3 prototype can be found at
http://people.westminstercollege.edu...l/history2.htm.
Your sighting shares the flat windscreen and correct side window
shapes with that image. However, I do not believe that your
observation about a spare tire is correct. The dark area to the back
of that vehicle does not appear to have enough mass to be a
"continental"-type spare, but it could be shadows produced by the
engine louvers on the prototype's windowless decklid. The light area
also corresponds to the white-colored number plate shown in the
prototype image at http://www.pre67vw.co.uk/history/.

Jim
http://vwfilms.net/

On Nov 9, 12:04 am, LIBERATOR > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwO30VlJscY
>
> IS that a VW bug precisely at 4:00? Freeze your video at 4:00, and
> review.
>
> It looks like one, except the spare tire on the trunk would make that
> incorrect.
>
> Anyone who knows their German history enough to know if the early
> models had spare tires on the trunk, fill us in.

Without looking up any references, that somehow reminds me of a Fiat
instead. I want to say Topolino but I'm not sure if that's periodically
correct

Jan


VWFilms wrote:
> It is indeed possible that the vehicle you found is a VW3 prototype.
>
> Hitler became chancellor in February 1933 and declared his intention
> to get Germany "motoring" at the '33 Berlin Auto Show. He announced
> the "people's car" concept... a vehicle that could transport two
> adults and three children, sustain 80 km/h (60 mph), deliver fuel
> economy of 14 km/L (33 mpg) and cost about 1,000 ReichMarks... at the
> '34 Berlin Auto Show. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche doubted that the price
> could be met, but he considered Hitler's specifications to be a
> challenge and undertook the project, which he designated Typ 60.
>
> Porsche had previously worked on some other small cars that used many
> elements later to be included in the Beetle. The Typ 32 prototype NSU
> of 1934 was an air-cooled rear-engined four-cylinder horizontally
> opposed powered car that used torsion bar suspension and featured
> beetle-like styling. Many of the Typ 60 components were derived from
> the NSU design.
>
> A Typ 60 prototype was reportedly unveiled during the Nazi party
> convention at Nuremberg during the first week of September 1934. Leni
> Riefenstahl's documentary of that event ("Triumph des Willens")
> reportedly has an image of that prototype, but I have yet to find that
> image.
>
> By late 1935, the first prototypes were on the autobahns; the V1
> saloon and a convertible V2, which had aluminum bodies mounted over
> traditional wooden frameworks. In 1936, steel bodies mounted over all-
> steel floorpans were used for the VW3 revision... powered by a 984cc,
> 22bhp engine that could reach a top speed of around 65 mph. Another 30
> prototypes were then made by Daimler-Benz who was not keen to make
> such a cheap car as they thought it would damage their high-class
> reputation.
>
> An image of the VW3 prototype can be found at
> http://people.westminstercollege.edu...l/history2.htm.
> Your sighting shares the flat windscreen and correct side window
> shapes with that image. However, I do not believe that your
> observation about a spare tire is correct. The dark area to the back
> of that vehicle does not appear to have enough mass to be a
> "continental"-type spare, but it could be shadows produced by the
> engine louvers on the prototype's windowless decklid. The light area
> also corresponds to the white-colored number plate shown in the
> prototype image at http://www.pre67vw.co.uk/history/.
>
> Jim
> http://vwfilms.net/
>
> On Nov 9, 12:04 am, LIBERATOR > wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwO30VlJscY
>>
>>IS that a VW bug precisely at 4:00? Freeze your video at 4:00, and
>>review.
>>
>>It looks like one, except the spare tire on the trunk would make that
>>incorrect.
>>
>>Anyone who knows their German history enough to know if the early
>>models had spare tires on the trunk, fill us in.
>
>
>

"Jan" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> Without looking up any references, that somehow reminds me of a Fiat
> instead. I want to say Topolino but I'm not sure if that's periodically
> correct
>
> Jan
>
>
> VWFilms wrote:
>> It is indeed possible that the vehicle you found is a VW3 prototype.
>>
>> Hitler became chancellor in February 1933 and declared his intention
>> to get Germany "motoring" at the '33 Berlin Auto Show. He announced
>> the "people's car" concept... a vehicle that could transport two
>> adults and three children, sustain 80 km/h (60 mph), deliver fuel
>> economy of 14 km/L (33 mpg) and cost about 1,000 ReichMarks... at the
>> '34 Berlin Auto Show. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche doubted that the price
>> could be met, but he considered Hitler's specifications to be a
>> challenge and undertook the project, which he designated Typ 60.

I doubt if it was a vw prototype..
Fiat would be my first guess too.
http://images.google.nl/images?gbv=2...ldingen+zoeken

the 80 km/h is more like a 100 km/h

Roger

On Nov 9, 4:55 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:04:37 -0800, LIBERATOR >
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwO30VlJscY
>
> >IS that a VW bug precisely at 4:00? Freeze your video at 4:00, and
> >review.
>
> >It looks like one, except the spare tire on the trunk would make that
> >incorrect.
>
> >Anyone who knows their German history enough to know if the early
> >models had spare tires on the trunk, fill us in.
>
> The rear roof line looks too "humpy" to me, likewise the front end
> looks too flat.
>
> >BTW, Hitler was framed.www.adolfthegreat.com
>
> Oddly e'nuff, no he wasn't.
>
> H.

Give me some data to prove your position.