Lack of refining capacity, thanks envirokooks

"Rich" > wrote in message
news
> Shell ran out of gas in Toronto today. Enviroscum strike again.
> Gasoline shortages, the greatest spread ever of the price of oil ($79
> barrel) versus the price of gasoline $1.30/L/ $5.00 per U.S. gal. Thanks
> enviros, I owe you and hopefully, you'll end up on my bumper, strictly by
> accident, of course.

Okay, Rich, you started this.

WHY did Shell run out of gas? Please explain, other than "enviroscum strike
again."

Certainly, there is no oil shortage, and any gasoline shortages are
primarily local, not a result of "refining capacity." Why Toronto?

dwight

In article >, "dwight" >
wrote:

> "twk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "huhie" > wrote:

---- Snip a little ----

> >> it is the only way to save us from global warmings, raise gas prices so
> >> everybody stops using gas .- EVScum
> >>
> >> (so we will starve to death quickly, instead of being slowly roasted in
> >> 50,000 years++)
> >
> > That's what o'bama is doing now. He's helping to run up the price of oil
> > so the hybrid cars seem more economical... No wait, it's so the battery
> > cars will seem more economical. Yep, that's it. However if you live in a
> > northern/cold climate on our earth, you're screwed! Battery cars don't
> > work in the cold.
> >
> > Hail o'bama! It's for our own good! Hail o'bama!
> > BTW, what are we going to do with all those expended batteries in a few
> > years...
> >
> > --
> > Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.
>
> Wait... what? Obama's the reason I'm paying $3.73 per gallon? I had no idea.
> Can you cite any kind of source for this? I'd like to read up on it.
>
> dwight
>

Yes he is responsible for higher gas prices. No doubt about it.
o'bama admits it and his administration admits it.

Well, _IF_ (not saying you are) you're a liberal o'bama fan boy, you
won't believe anything bad about that dirty commie, but here goes. And
yes, I spell it "o'bama" out of my displeasure and utter lack of respect
for the dirty commie... I mean dirty socialist. I meant socialist.

Top Five Things Obama Has Done to Raise Gasoline Prices
<http://www.americansolutions.com/dhd...ngs-obama-has-
done-to-raise-gasoline-prices.php>

Gas prices too high? Obama may not think so. He's pumped to use high oil
prices.
<http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...011/0307/Gas-p
rices-too-high-Obama-may-not-think-so.-He-s-pumped-to-use-high-oil-prices
>

Obama Admin Says New Offshore Safety Rules May Delay Oil Drilling, Raise
Gas Prices
<http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/10...admin-says-new
-offshore-safety-rules-may-19250.html>

Obama raises taxes on oil and gas to stop global*warming
<http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...-taxes-on-oil-
and-gas-to-stop-global-warming/>

Obama to raise gas prices and inflation by raising taxes on oil*companies
<http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...se-gas-prices-
and-inflation-by-raising-taxes-on-oil-companies/>

o'bama is a dirty commie, bent on big government and total control of
the masses. As a result of this, he is destroying the United States
economy and, ultimately, the United States.

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On 8/13/2011 9:10 PM, D E Willson wrote:
> According to recent news, Canada will be
> selling oil to China. Why? Right next door is a country who would be
> happy to have that oil. Where was Obama and his minions when Canada
> was negotiating the sale?

We are finding US to unstable, just keeping our options open.
At least we are buying your Jet FIghters.

Any legit news sources ?
Other than the NY times. Maybe the gulf should be closed off, and remove
the water. No more shore drilling.

>
> Okay, Rich, you started this.
>
> WHY did Shell run out of gas? Please explain, other than "enviroscum
> strike again."
>
> Certainly, there is no oil shortage, and any gasoline shortages are
> primarily local, not a result of "refining capacity." Why Toronto?
>
> dwight
>
>

Their refinery was shut for maintenance. They underestimate on hand
stock and completion of maintenance.
But Canada in the Central East still does not have enough refinery
capacity,
If terrorist blew up two of our, I can tell you Ontario would stop moving.

"twk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "dwight" >
> wrote:
>
>> "twk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "huhie" > wrote:
>
> ---- Snip a little ----
>
>> >> it is the only way to save us from global warmings, raise gas prices
>> >> so
>> >> everybody stops using gas .- EVScum
>> >>
>> >> (so we will starve to death quickly, instead of being slowly roasted
>> >> in
>> >> 50,000 years++)
>> >
>> > That's what o'bama is doing now. He's helping to run up the price of
>> > oil
>> > so the hybrid cars seem more economical... No wait, it's so the battery
>> > cars will seem more economical. Yep, that's it. However if you live in
>> > a
>> > northern/cold climate on our earth, you're screwed! Battery cars don't
>> > work in the cold.
>> >
>> > Hail o'bama! It's for our own good! Hail o'bama!
>> > BTW, what are we going to do with all those expended batteries in a few
>> > years...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.
>>
>> Wait... what? Obama's the reason I'm paying $3.73 per gallon? I had no
>> idea.
>> Can you cite any kind of source for this? I'd like to read up on it.
>>
>> dwight
>>
>
> Yes he is responsible for higher gas prices. No doubt about it.
> o'bama admits it and his administration admits it.
>
> Well, _IF_ (not saying you are) you're a liberal o'bama fan boy, you
> won't believe anything bad about that dirty commie, but here goes. And
> yes, I spell it "o'bama" out of my displeasure and utter lack of respect
> for the dirty commie... I mean dirty socialist. I meant socialist.
>
> Top Five Things Obama Has Done to Raise Gasoline Prices
> <http://www.americansolutions.com/dhd...ngs-obama-has-
> done-to-raise-gasoline-prices.php>
>
> Gas prices too high? Obama may not think so. He's pumped to use high oil
> prices.
> <http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...011/0307/Gas-p
> rices-too-high-Obama-may-not-think-so.-He-s-pumped-to-use-high-oil-prices
>>
>
> Obama Admin Says New Offshore Safety Rules May Delay Oil Drilling, Raise
> Gas Prices
> <http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/10...admin-says-new
> -offshore-safety-rules-may-19250.html>
>
> Obama raises taxes on oil and gas to stop global warming
> <http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...-taxes-on-oil-
> and-gas-to-stop-global-warming/>
>
> Obama to raise gas prices and inflation by raising taxes on oil companies
> <http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...se-gas-prices-
> and-inflation-by-raising-taxes-on-oil-companies/>
>
> o'bama is a dirty commie, bent on big government and total control of
> the masses. As a result of this, he is destroying the United States
> economy and, ultimately, the United States.
>
> --
> Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.

Look - I don't mind that you hate. In fact, some would argue that it's your
god-given right to hate. I just prefer facts.

Aside from the questionable sources (I really enjoyed "american
solutions.com," which I suspect may be an oil-industry funded site), and the
woefully outdated articles, we are left with two big questions:

How does the President, under the U.S. Constitution, impose a tax?

What does the President, under our capitalist system, have to do with oil
speculation on Wall Street?

In other words, there is no oil shortage. There are no shortages of oil
leases or reserves to be tapped. The oil companies already have more of a
playground than they can use. By all accounts, opening up even MORE reserves
to the oil companies will have little or no impact on the price of gasoline
within the next ten to twenty years.

So all of what you've cited are little more than red herrings, and
irrelevant to the discussion.

Rich started this thread, "Lack of refining capacity," which IS more of an
issue. When oil companies drill here in the U.S., there is no mandate that
the oil be SOLD in the U.S. In fact, it goes out to the world market and can
end up anywhere. It's the refining capacity that keeps the U.S. gas engine
turning. (i.e.: why would Iran, with its huge reserves of oil, have gasoline
shortages? Because they lack the refining plants to turn all that oil into
usable gasoline.)

So, please, don't throw taxes and regulation in my face, when that has
nothing to do with anything.

If you don't understand Wall Street and the futures market, Google that,
instead of "why I hate o'bama."

dwight

"FalconGuy" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> Okay, Rich, you started this.
>>
>> WHY did Shell run out of gas? Please explain, other than "enviroscum
>> strike again."
>>
>> Certainly, there is no oil shortage, and any gasoline shortages are
>> primarily local, not a result of "refining capacity." Why Toronto?
>>
>> dwight
>>
>>
>
> Their refinery was shut for maintenance. They underestimate on hand stock
> and completion of maintenance.
> But Canada in the Central East still does not have enough refinery
> capacity,
> If terrorist blew up two of our, I can tell you Ontario would stop moving.

Yes. And, actually, I misspoke - the gas shortage in Toronto WAS the result
of refining capacity, but was certainly not the fault of any "enviroscum."
In fact, it was an almost voluntary shortage of refined product.

Aside from that, yes, Ontario doesn't have enough refineries to withstand an
attack. The U.S. has LOTS of refineries, but a certain hurricane took out a
good number of them, leading to a near-panic here and prices well over the
$5.00 mark in certain areas. Obviously, none of that had anything to do with
"enviroscum," either.

Rich's original post was nothing more than another troll, and a purposely
misleading and inflammatory one, at that. Gasoline prices go up rapidly,
come down slowly, then increase again without any apparent cause. But I know
(as much as I can "know") that this has nothing to do with
environmentalists, taxes, regulations, or any alleged shortage of oil
reserve leases.

dwight

In article >,
FalconGuy > wrote:

> Any legit news sources ?
> Other than the NY times. Maybe the gulf should be closed off, and remove
> the water. No more shore drilling.

There are lots of legit news sources.
Other than the NY Times, what?

What are you talking about?
I can't read your mind, quote something next time. Try using complete
sentences.

--
Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.

In article >, "dwight" >
wrote:

Huge snip

> So, please, don't throw taxes and regulation in my face, when that has
> nothing to do with anything.
>
> If you don't understand Wall Street and the futures market, Google that,
> instead of "why I hate o'bama."
>
> dwight
>

Taxes and regulation have nothing to do with what? The price of oil?
You must be kidding when you say that taxes and regulation of any item
doesn't affect that item's price. Taxes and regulation definitely affect
prices.

I'm guessing you are a liberal, socialist, o'bama fan boy.
I doubt there is any way to argue with you. Any anti o'bama information
is false, and o'bama is the savior of the US.

Time is short so I can't comment on the rest of your post.

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Not sent through any particular network from any pompous smart phone.

"twk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "dwight" >
> wrote:
>
> Huge snip
>
>> So, please, don't throw taxes and regulation in my face, when that has
>> nothing to do with anything.
>>
>> If you don't understand Wall Street and the futures market, Google that,
>> instead of "why I hate o'bama."
>>
>> dwight
>>
>
> Taxes and regulation have nothing to do with what? The price of oil?
> You must be kidding when you say that taxes and regulation of any item
> doesn't affect that item's price. Taxes and regulation definitely affect
> prices.
>

The price of oil jumped 50% virtually overnight. That was taxes and
regulation? I'll grant you that taxes and regulations may raise the price of
oil by pennies on the barrel, but they absolutely do NOT figure into a 50%
increase.


> I'm guessing you are a liberal, socialist, o'bama fan boy.
> I doubt there is any way to argue with you. Any anti o'bama information
> is false, and o'bama is the savior of the US.
>
> Time is short so I can't comment on the rest of your post.

No time to explain how the President imposes a tax of any kind?

I am a liberal in some areas, a conservative in others. I am neither a fan
nor a hater of any president. I just prefer facts.

And critical thinking. I really enjoy critical thinking.

dwight