The (my) Alfasud in the newspapers!

It's in dutch though...
http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php

Bert Kanters wrote:

> It's in dutch though...
> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php

Nice one
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 OMF#22
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

On 3-2-2006 18:58, Catman wrote:
> Bert Kanters wrote:
>
>> It's in dutch though...
>> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php
>
> Nice one

Nice story too! Thanks.

Arjan

Arjan Renting wrote:

> On 3-2-2006 18:58, Catman wrote:
>> Bert Kanters wrote:
>>
>>> It's in dutch though...
>>> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php
>>
>> Nice one
>
> Nice story too! Thanks.

Well, cmon

What's the translation?
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 OMF#22
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

Bert Kanters > wrote:

> It's in dutch though...
> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php

I hate you. That's a lovely modded 'Sud.

Here's my moment of fame from a couple of months ago:

http://www.italiancar.co.uk/retro.jpg
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

On 3-2-2006 19:14, Catman wrote:
> Arjan Renting wrote:
>
>> On 3-2-2006 18:58, Catman wrote:
>>> Bert Kanters wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's in dutch though...
>>>> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php
>>> Nice one
>> Nice story too! Thanks.
>
> Well, cmon
>
> What's the translation?

Yeah sorry, I was a little too lazy for a translation :-) If you like
some puzzling you could try http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ;-)

It's about the (in)famous rust of the Suds. By one newly delivered Sud
by a German dealer the windscreen fell down on the ground because of the
rust. The new factory in the south suffered a lot by the strikes and
unqualified labours. Because of the strikes some cars stayed outside in
the silty sea air for days before they where painted. Unqualified
labours touched the cars with their sweaty hands leaving a future rust
spot in the form of a hand etc. And of course a lot of the invested
money from the government went to the Mafia when building the factory.

Unfortunately I have never driven a Sud myself. My brother in law had
one long time ago, a really nice one. Finally the car failed the annual
MOT because of....... rust.

Thinks have changed nowadays ;-)

Arjan

Arjan Renting wrote:

> On 3-2-2006 19:14, Catman wrote:
>> Arjan Renting wrote:
>>
>>> On 3-2-2006 18:58, Catman wrote:
>>>> Bert Kanters wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's in dutch though...
>>>>> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php
>>>> Nice one
>>> Nice story too! Thanks.
>>
>> Well, cmon
>>
>> What's the translation?
>
> Yeah sorry, I was a little too lazy for a translation :-) If you like
> some puzzling you could try http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ;-)
>
> It's about the (in)famous rust of the Suds. By one newly delivered Sud
> by a German dealer the windscreen fell down on the ground because of the
> rust. The new factory in the south suffered a lot by the strikes and
> unqualified labours. Because of the strikes some cars stayed outside in
> the silty sea air for days before they where painted. Unqualified
> labours touched the cars with their sweaty hands leaving a future rust
> spot in the form of a hand etc. And of course a lot of the invested
> money from the government went to the Mafia when building the factory.
>
> Unfortunately I have never driven a Sud myself. My brother in law had
> one long time ago, a really nice one. Finally the car failed the annual
> MOT because of....... rust.
>

Cheers
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 OMF#22
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:10:53 +0100, Arjan Renting >
wrote:

>On 3-2-2006 18:58, Catman wrote:
>> Bert Kanters wrote:
>>
>>> It's in dutch though...
>>> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php
>>
>> Nice one
>
>Nice story too! Thanks.

Indeed. The Alfa problems in the 1970's sound all too reminiscent of the
British Leyland problems at the same time (with the probable exception
of the Mafia).

I read recently that the reason that Austin 1800's suffered from rust so
much was that someone made a miscalculation and they were a fraction too
wide for the corridor between factory buildings (or the corridor was a
fraction too narrow). As a result unpainted bodies got transported
outside in the rain.

--
Stephen Poley

Basically the journalist used the info on www.alfasud.alfisti.net about the
Sud story and the info on my little site
http://www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk/bert/ about my Sud to create a juicy story
were he uses the word "rust" quite often to please the non Alfa owners, so
they can justify their buying of another boring car, sort of. Nothing new.
But on the way home from my job most Alfa's were waving at me (well, at my
car)!
Fun...
They prohibited copying the text on that site to paste it in a translator
:-(

"Catman" > schreef in bericht
m...
> Arjan Renting wrote:
>
>> On 3-2-2006 19:14, Catman wrote:
>>> Arjan Renting wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3-2-2006 18:58, Catman wrote:
>>>>> Bert Kanters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's in dutch though...
>>>>>> http://mgl.digi-dition.nl/daily/2006.../21/pagina.php
>>>>> Nice one
>>>> Nice story too! Thanks.
>>>
>>> Well, cmon
>>>
>>> What's the translation?
>>
>> Yeah sorry, I was a little too lazy for a translation :-) If you like
>> some puzzling you could try http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ;-)
>>
>> It's about the (in)famous rust of the Suds. By one newly delivered Sud
>> by a German dealer the windscreen fell down on the ground because of the
>> rust. The new factory in the south suffered a lot by the strikes and
>> unqualified labours. Because of the strikes some cars stayed outside in
>> the silty sea air for days before they where painted. Unqualified
>> labours touched the cars with their sweaty hands leaving a future rust
>> spot in the form of a hand etc. And of course a lot of the invested
>> money from the government went to the Mafia when building the factory.
>>
>> Unfortunately I have never driven a Sud myself. My brother in law had
>> one long time ago, a really nice one. Finally the car failed the annual
>> MOT because of....... rust.
>>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 OMF#22
> Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
> Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2
> Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
> www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

I'm to lazy to correct the errors babelfish made also it makes a funny
read...

The Alfasud are legendary in the car line. The average life span alpha Romeo
built of these between 1972 and 1984 was two à three years. Bert have
Kanters from Roermond (38) of the rare overlevers. Synonymous for ` rusts
already in the folder A this way massively built carriage seldom disappeared
this way rapidly of the way. Although there between 1972 and 1984 than one
million Alfasuds more of the link rolled in the south-Italian woman-Italian
Pomigliamo - of which has been sold some tienduizenden in the Netherlands,
is in our country to estimate still only one piece or 150. Of it not even
half also still really drives round. Simon Carmiggelt put the reason
striking into words: ` rust already in the folder. Now rust in the years
seventy general problems in the car line was. For lack of protection
techniques and by bad steel quality BMW for your eyes even rotted. But the
Alfasud conquered a legendary status in this area. Thus there is the tale of
a German alpha Romeo-dealer. When fonkelnieuwe Alfasud for its showroom of
the trailer drove, spontaneously the windshield on the ground fell. The
window style proved to be entirely rusts. Roermond ear Bert Kanters can take
part in a converstation. He is of the scarce owners of ` hands over. From
1982nd previous year he foresaw the carriage, which he has had since 1995,
of a new lake layer. At stripping surprisingly little rust came up. That was
at the Sud which I had for that, however, differently. I have ordered that
car two times overgespoten and on more than hundred places. But was on last
none apprehend more there. Later Kanters came that to be Sud ` had been
foamed. Of the solutions which the engineers of alpha considered Romeo
against the rust problem the volspuiten of hollow coachwork parts with heat
insulation foam were. But foam absorbed water as spons, as a result of which
rust was to no longer run up. The Alfasud were initially a large promise.
The car was dé sensation of the car fair of Turin in 1971st alpha Romeo,
until then a relative expensive mark for sport-loving carriages with as duty
station the chique milaan, wants a wide, cheap but nevertheless sport-loving
family car on the market bring. The Sud had a number of technical renewals
which the car which pretended time spectacularly improved position. The
model got the name Sud because alpha Romeo had stipulated a subsidy worth
millions at the Italian government, under the condition that the factory for
the new carriage in the pennyless south be built. As a location an old fly
field of alpha Romeo was chosen, where formerly plane engines were tested,
to the foot of the vesuvius at Naples. But that location lay also wide
within the sphere of influence of the napolitaanse mafia. Already for the
bouwstart alpha Romeo was faced with mala fide ground speculators, local
political corruption and the ` skim of operations around the project.
Possibly still more destructive the intervention of the Italian trade
unions, which in that time shuned no means to secure the interests of the
workers in the factories, was. That led already immediately to strong delays
at the construction of Sud-fabriek. After the presentation on the car fair
of Turin in October the 1971stroomden orders within, but the first Sud ran
by the problems just in April 1972 of the link. The project LEADER of the
Sud, the Austrian Rudolph Hruska who involved in the war had been at the
development of Tiger-tank and later at Porsche worked, in the first year a
day production of five hundred cars had planned. In reality it became there
seventy. The factory was laid flat almost daily strikes. In the twelve years
in which the Sud were made, there were counted more than seven hundred.
Consequence was that bald coachwork stood wait for days in the zilte sea air
for the spuiterij, as a result of which they showed roestvlekken already for
the needle turn. That rust was cleaned frequently light, as a result of
which the rust process under the lake continued simply. Also the non
specialist south-Italian woman-Italian workers contributed their steentje.
They did not have the accuratesse and the skills which were necessary for
the modern production techniques in the factory. Thus it occurred regulated
that workers the ongespoten tackled coachwork with bezwete hands, as a
result of which the owner was later faced a year with handvormige a rust
spot on the roof of its car. The impact was disastrous. Cars showed
frequently already rust for them the showroom had reached, had lekkages at
the strange places and rattled on all sides. In the years which followed,
all possible effort did alpha Romeo turn the tij. Workers Noord-Italië were
obtained to raise the quality level and all kinds of experimentings were
carried out to stop the rust problem. In the Netherlands the importer of
alpha Romeo with spectacular offers stunted, exchanged Suds linea recta by
sending to demolition and this way the rust problem to blur. Sud had life
span in that period an average of two à three years. Much could that do not
avail. The Sud were a splendid target for the makers of the tv-programma
wreck of the way, popular in the years eighty. The apk were not yet oblige
and there were people who kept on driving to them by the floor matter. Bert
Kanters grinnikt if he that programme thinks back. He bought its first Sud
in 1986, kept on driving up to 1995 and bought then a sprint, the
coupéversie of the Alfasud. But with that he got engine problems. For fifty
euro he obtained vervolgens a copy of demolition with which someone had
flown from the turning. Coachwork proved to be surprising good. Kanters
assembled a heavier engine from an alpha 33 - the technically nearly equal
continuator of the Sud - and let tear the carriage overspuiten there for ten
years carefree in round. Then the carriage had been as such creased that a
new opknapbeurt was necessary. Kanters found four second-hand doors on
demolition, bought by means of Internet for hundred euro a can
detonation-blue lake with which he the car assembled overspoot personally in
the open air, and special wheels, absorbers and sport Len. By pimp-rage now
drive he in a sport-loving carrier which satisfies entirely to the vogue
picture. People frequently react surprise. The Sud a scarcity has become.
That of me sees of course also still nicely crazily with the blue lake and
the racestrepen. I find it a terrible file of the car with a position
improve then many modern cars. And he is also once more hartstikke cheap,
because I repair everything itself. Next year becomes he 25 years old, then
hoef I pay tax not even more.
The Alfasud were technically and aesthetic its time far ahead. Him beside a
time and soortgenoot put such as the Opel Kadett and it is clearly why the
car press lyric was concerning the ` aerodynamic line of the carriage. The
boxermotor, pleased at car experts for its deep growl and eagerness, disk
brakes around and a wheel framework which a formidabele position gave him,
turned the Sud into a delicious crack iron. Good house fathers with a
limited budget could buy all of a sudden for tienduizend guilder still no a
car with which you drew the clinkers from the street. That especially that
target group probably bought the car, explains according to Sud-eigenaar
Bert Kanters why the Sud this way rapidly from the gratie touched. As such a
father a time kicked in the gas, was its woman after three turnings
kotsmisselijk. Therefore of that sport-loving that house father could not to
enjoy. Then appeared that the Sud under your kont wegroestte. That such a
house father could not permit himself of course. Those chose therefore but
for Kadett