What about these gifts to Toyota

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:20:02 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

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> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
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>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:06:24 -0500, News wrote:
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>> > The "race to the bottom" is a general theme. Applies widely, outside
>> > the auto industry. You see it everywhere outsourcing is involved. You
>> > see it when New Jersey subsidizes the move of Wall Street jobs across
>> > the river.
>> >
>> > Howe about YOUR job? Is it immune?
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>> Yup! I fix what the Chinese screw up.
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> Board swapping != fixing


That's on good days. I haven't had too many good days lately.

Yeah. I like doing keyboards. $35 for 5 minutes. But I make up for it when
"swapping boards" doesn't fix it, and have to figure it out. Then it nets
me about $15 an hour. But it evens out. I figure average of $22 an hour.

"Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
news
> Ain't gonna believe this without a reference, either. $250,000 PER
> JOB?!?!?!

That is a wildly inflated amount, which includes among other things the
infrastructure cost that government has to spend when new people move into
an area (schools, roads, sewers, police). Of course it is ridiculous to
claim that this is a gift to Toyota since all of these things are funded by
property and sales taxes paid by the employees who move there, and are
incurred when any new resident moves to the town.



When it comes to the truth and liberals, there is only an accidental
relationship. The big lie is their modus operandi.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:17:20 -0500, "Mark A" >
wrote Re What about these gifts to Toyota:

>That is a wildly inflated amount, which includes among other things the
>infrastructure cost that government has to spend when new people move into
>an area (schools, roads, sewers, police). Of course it is ridiculous to
>claim that this is a gift to Toyota since all of these things are funded by
>property and sales taxes paid by the employees who move there, and are
>incurred when any new resident moves to the town.

No, when the property tax, sewer tax and water rates are raised to pay
for infrastructure to accommodate the factory and people moving into
the area, *all* people pay the increased rates. If you already have a
job and don't get a higher paying job at the new factory, all you get
out of the deal is higher taxes and more congestion.

The real estate developers, land owners and politicians are the big
beneficiaries.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:04:17 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

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> Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
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>> GM builds cars for $75 an hour, wages and benefits.
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> That widely-quoted figure is wrong.


So, what's the right one?

I would figure if it comes from more than one source, it must be accurate.

Figure it out: $28+ per hour, medical, dental, life insurance and pension.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:01:35 -0500, News wrote:

>> Oh sure, if you don't like it you can move to another country. But
>> most other civilized countries are also socialist these days. So you
>> gain nothing, really - except that you likely don't have to listen to these
>> deluded fools like yourself who continue to claim that the US
>> federal, state & local governments are NOT socialist.
>>
>> Ted
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> Nicely descibed: a race to the bottom.

r u stuck?

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:01:35 -0500, News wrote:
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>>>Oh sure, if you don't like it you can move to another country. But
>>>most other civilized countries are also socialist these days. So you
>>>gain nothing, really - except that you likely don't have to listen to these
>>>deluded fools like yourself who continue to claim that the US
>>>federal, state & local governments are NOT socialist.
>>>
>>>Ted
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>>Nicely descibed: a race to the bottom.
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> r u stuck?
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R U in denial?

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:46:05 -0800, larry moe 'n curly wrote:

>> The rightwingnuts can't comprehend anything beyond rightwingnut rhetoric.
>
> Generally they think they have a monopoly on intelligence,
> rationality, and self-reliance, and its worst among the ones who are
> less educated, drunk, have criminal records, believe humans rode
> dinosaurs, and are receiving welfare checks.

Who might that be?

I wouldn't say it's a 'monopoly on intelligence'. I'd say it's more
'common sense', 'trying to do what's best for all', and most of all,
'keeping power away from the k00ks.'

Looks like the country definitely lost the fight on the last item with
this last election...

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:17:20 -0500, Mark A wrote:

>> Ain't gonna believe this without a reference, either. $250,000 PER
>> JOB?!?!?!
>
> That is a wildly inflated amount, which includes among other things the
> infrastructure cost that government has to spend when new people move into
> an area (schools, roads, sewers, police). Of course it is ridiculous to
> claim that this is a gift to Toyota since all of these things are funded by
> property and sales taxes paid by the employees who move there, and are
> incurred when any new resident moves to the town.

I alluded to that when I said a bigger paycheck=more tax paid.

Seems to have gotten lost somewhere, All that seems to register is "Race
to the bottom"...

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:25:22 -0600, Caesar Romano wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:17:20 -0500, "Mark A" >
> wrote Re What about these gifts to Toyota:
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>>That is a wildly inflated amount, which includes among other things the
>>infrastructure cost that government has to spend when new people move into
>>an area (schools, roads, sewers, police). Of course it is ridiculous to
>>claim that this is a gift to Toyota since all of these things are funded by
>>property and sales taxes paid by the employees who move there, and are
>>incurred when any new resident moves to the town.
>
> No, when the property tax, sewer tax and water rates are raised to pay
> for infrastructure to accommodate the factory and people moving into
> the area, *all* people pay the increased rates. If you already have a
> job and don't get a higher paying job at the new factory, all you get
> out of the deal is higher taxes and more congestion.
>
> The real estate developers, land owners and politicians are the big
> beneficiaries.

Store owners, gas station proprieters, restaurants, super markets, car
dealers...

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:51:26 -0500, News wrote:

>>>Nicely descibed: a race to the bottom.
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>> r u stuck?
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> R U in denial?

I'd give my eye teeth to have someone bring in an actual business to my
area.

See, we have a LOT of people here that think like you. Even though no one
has started a new farm in 30 years, they turned down turning 55 acres of
land on the edge of town into an industrial office/call center because we
need to keep arm land. Um, why? The only 'farms' that get started around
here are roadside tomato stands. We aren't quite the 'breadbasket of the
world' here...

Progress actually moves backwards here (there's an oxymoron for you).
The small thinking people here make sure nothing happens. As a result, we
are in a constant recession here, people have to take minimum wage jobs
because there isn't anything else, and welfare is the biggest employer in
the area.

Can't even have a decent shopping center because of these idiots


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Boy, sure am glad they were victorious! In order to go to a discount store
I have to drive 20 miles out of my way. If the local 'department store'
doesn't have it (and chances are they won't) I waste my time going out of
town.

Not only that, but they squawk about getting off foreign oil, but when
someone proposes a wind farm, OH NO!!! You'll spoil the view! You'll kill
birds!

The week after the company finally gave up and went further west in the
state, the morons were out on the twon common with their stupid little
signs, "End dependence on foreign oil!" "We need clean energy now!"

Great

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I can't find any references to the outcry that went out, but the meatheads
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Please, Toyota, move here! PLEASE!!!