New Vette has HP:)

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/...r1//index.html

I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
blower to make power? LOL!

On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:

> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
> blower to make power? LOL!

The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
gotta wonder when AWD will happen.

Patrick

wrote:
> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>> blower to make power? LOL!
>
> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.

With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been given
the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette or
Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to redesign
the cars for AWD would e prohibitive.

I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of
cars they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming
to run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.

"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>
>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>
>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>
> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been given
> the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette or
> Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to redesign the
> cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>
> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of cars
> they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming to
> run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.

What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most states
will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why not
something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed of
sound?

"corky" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>
>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>
>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been given
>> the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette or
>> Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to redesign the
>> cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>
>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of cars
>> they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming to
>> run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>
> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why
> not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed of
> sound?

You want to buy my hybrid? It's sitting in my garage, but you could
certainly run it through its paces without endangering any speed limit.

Oh, and it's got a 21-speed tranny.

dwight

corky wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been given
>> the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette or
>> Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to redesign the
>> cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>
>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of cars
>> they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming to
>> run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>
> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most states
> will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why not
> something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed of
> sound?

If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car we
drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance available
that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human nature to want
more than we need. Another good example is our computers. Most of us
could still get by with an original Pentium and AMD K7 processor but
having something faster than we need is just irresistible. You would
also be surprised how often you can enjoy an excess of horsepower, and
especially torque, in day to day driving.

Michael Johnson wrote:
> corky wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me
>>>>> when I
>>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got
>>>>> just
>>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases
>>>>> and
>>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end
>>> for all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an
>>> article yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards
>>> had come any earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have
>>> never been given the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an
>>> AWD Corvette or Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the
>>> cost to redesign the cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>>
>>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of
>>> cars they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global
>>> warming to run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can
>>> smell the beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>>
>> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
>> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at?
>> Why not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the
>> speed of sound?
>
> If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car we
> drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance available
> that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human nature to want
> more than we need. Another good example is our computers. Most of us
> could still get by with an original Pentium and AMD K7 processor but
> having something faster than we need is just irresistible. You would
> also be surprised how often you can enjoy an excess of horsepower, and
> especially torque, in day to day driving.



It's not so much the speed, but how quickly you reach it.
AFAIK, there's no law that limits how fast you can accelerate, provided
that you do not cause danger to other traffic or pedestrians etc.
In many places it's illegal to do burnouts however...

Jan

"corky" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when I
>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got just
>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases and
>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>
>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>
>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been given
>> the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette or
>> Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to redesign the
>> cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>
>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of cars
>> they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming to
>> run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>
> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why
> not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed of
> sound?
>


Any car is capable of exceeding the speed limit, really, what is your point?

You really need to think out side the box...

http://www.opentrackchallenge.com/
http://www.norcal-saac.org/ot/otcentrl.htm
http://www.carolinamotorsportspark.com/pmcrules.html
http://www.ncracing.org/faq.html

"Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
...
> Michael Johnson wrote:
>> corky wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 23, 4:50 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to say "I told you so" to those that didn't agree with me when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> said Chevy was going to hit a horsepower wall with the current engine
>>>>>> block used by the Corvettes. IMO, with the last Z06, they had got
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> about all the N/A horsepower they could from displacement increases
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they would need a new block or go with forced induction to get much
>>>>>> more. Looks like they have gone the blower route. Now what are all
>>>>>> those Chevy guys going to say that trashed the Cobra for needing a
>>>>>> blower to make power? LOL!
>>>>> The bigger issue, that they haven't address, yet, is traction. You
>>>>> gotta wonder when AWD will happen.
>>>> With the CAFE standards we might be seeing the beginning of the end for
>>>> all these super performance cars from the Big Three. I read an article
>>>> yesterday where a Chevy rep said if the new CAFE standards had come any
>>>> earlier the ZR1 in its current form would probably have never been
>>>> given the green light. IMO, I don't think we will see an AWD Corvette
>>>> or Mustang for quite a while, if ever. My guess is the cost to
>>>> redesign the cars for AWD would e prohibitive.
>>>>
>>>> I can't see these horsepower wars going much further. The number of
>>>> cars they can sell with that level of power is very few. If we get a
>>>> Democratic President and Congress I expect many of these cars to be
>>>> legislated out of existence. They will use the hype of global warming
>>>> to run all kinds of things up our collective asses. I can smell the
>>>> beginning of the end for hyper performance cars.
>>>
>>> What is the point of a hyper performance car? More than 90mph in most
>>> states will get major attention from the law. Is it just to look at? Why
>>> not something you can run through it's paces without breaking the speed
>>> of sound?
>>
>> If we analyze what we "need" for transportation then almost every car we
>> drive is overkill for the task. It is having the performance available
>> that matters, not how often we can use it. it is human nature to want
>> more than we need. Another good example is our computers. Most of us
>> could still get by with an original Pentium and AMD K7 processor but
>> having something faster than we need is just irresistible. You would
>> also be surprised how often you can enjoy an excess of horsepower, and
>> especially torque, in day to day driving.
>
>
>
> It's not so much the speed, but how quickly you reach it.
> AFAIK, there's no law that limits how fast you can accelerate, provided
> that you do not cause danger to other traffic or pedestrians etc.
> In many places it's illegal to do burnouts however...
>
> Jan

I WISH THAT WERE TRUE!

Having been the recipient of at least one Exhibition of Speed ticket, I can
assure you, you are mistaken... :-(