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  #11  
Old February 25th 07, 05:37 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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wrote:
> On Feb 24, 11:24 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>>> You've long since surpassed me with the mileage (we were neck and neck
>>> there for a while), but I'm with you 100%. Our Mustangs are part of the
>>> family.

>
>>> It's just about time for the LX to be "born again" as a restomod, so I
>>> am starting with my plans. Suggestions are most welcome.

>
>> I'm a big fan of the sleeper look. Maybe lower it a tad and keep the
>> exterior and interior looking bone stock. No one will know the car's
>> potential unless they crawl under it, open the hood or witness the
>> throttle getting hammered.

>
> And you know Joe, I'm with Mike on this. I vote keep it a plain Jane
> on the outside & interior, but have King Kong power under the hood. A
> super clean car will always get noticed, and if you want more
> attention simply dropping the hammer on the strong running car will
> get you plenty.
>
>> How much horsepower do you want to make? That will determine a lot of
>> other things.

>
> 300 RW would be plenty fun/and very streetable.


The nice thing about fuel injection and computer control is that nearly
all hp levels are very streetable nowadays. I would opt for a 302 block
stroked to 331/347 cubic inches or just go for the gold and get a
stroked 351W. A 351W stroked to 392 cubic inches is a cheap and easy
build and will give 400+ rwtq/rwhp if done right.

When I get back into my '89 LX it will sport a 427W with motor mounts
that let me keep the stock hood. Blowers are nice but I want the
reliability and simplicity of a N/A engine. To keep the torque levels I
have now I need cubic inches.
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  #12  
Old February 25th 07, 05:45 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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dwight wrote:
> "Spike" > wrote in message
> ...
>> My great grandmother was born in the Oklahoma Territory in the
>> proverbial sod hut. Married at 14, she arrievd in California in a
>> covered wagon. She lived long enough to see the rise of telephones,
>> cars, aircraft, radio, television, and computers, and watched man walk
>> on the moon.... She raised 15 kids, and never owned a car. She'd still
>> walk to the grocery to buy her groceries. Then she took a fall, broke
>> her hip and went down hill from there.
>>
>> In 5000 years, someone will probably dig up her bones and marvel at
>> the type of creatures which existed and wonder about their social
>> existances. And nobody will care that her greatgrandson drove a 65
>> Mustang Fastback that ran on dino fuel.
>>
>> :0) LOL

>
> Boy, you take the long view... I don't think that, in 5000 years, anyone is
> going to be around to dig up her bones. If they did, they wouldn't be able
> to tell any more from hers than from yours.
>
> It's very possible that the single biggest element of our society to live
> down through the ages is the fact that WE killed Mother Earth with all of
> our racing around on dino fuel, forcing mankind to either flee its home
> planet or adapt to living on a global-warmed-out rock. Ergo, you - as an
> active participant in the destruction - would hold more significance to
> future earthspawn than your great grandmother.


IMO, humans are more like cockroaches than we care to admit. It will
take much more than a good bout of global warming to kill us off
completely. We have survived ice ages, scorching global warming and are
still standing. There just won't be six billion of us around but there
will be enough to carry on. There are just a few things, IMO, that can
really kill us off completely. A large asteroid/comet slamming us, a
huge super volcanic eruption, being in the path of a freak gamma ray
burst and something we can do to ourselves.... creating a biological
weapon, or mistake, that has the potential to kill even human on the
planet. Right now I give odds to the biological route to do us in first.
  #13  
Old February 25th 07, 06:16 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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On Feb 25, 11:37 am, Michael Johnson > wrote:

You'd give up the KB puffer for more cubes?

Patrick

> >>> You've long since surpassed me with the mileage (we were neck and neck
> >>> there for a while), but I'm with you 100%. Our Mustangs are part of the
> >>> family.

>
> >>> It's just about time for the LX to be "born again" as a restomod, so I
> >>> am starting with my plans. Suggestions are most welcome.

>
> >> I'm a big fan of the sleeper look. Maybe lower it a tad and keep the
> >> exterior and interior looking bone stock. No one will know the car's
> >> potential unless they crawl under it, open the hood or witness the
> >> throttle getting hammered.

>
> > And you know Joe, I'm with Mike on this. I vote keep it a plain Jane
> > on the outside & interior, but have King Kong power under the hood. A
> > super clean car will always get noticed, and if you want more
> > attention simply dropping the hammer on the strong running car will
> > get you plenty.

>
> >> How much horsepower do you want to make? That will determine a lot of
> >> other things.

>
> > 300 RW would be plenty fun/and very streetable.

>
> The nice thing about fuel injection and computer control is that nearly
> all hp levels are very streetable nowadays. I would opt for a 302 block
> stroked to 331/347 cubic inches or just go for the gold and get a
> stroked 351W. A 351W stroked to 392 cubic inches is a cheap and easy
> build and will give 400+ rwtq/rwhp if done right.
>
> When I get back into my '89 LX it will sport a 427W with motor mounts
> that let me keep the stock hood. Blowers are nice but I want the
> reliability and simplicity of a N/A engine. To keep the torque levels I
> have now I need cubic inches.



  #14  
Old February 25th 07, 06:50 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
...
> dwight wrote:
>> "Spike" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> My great grandmother was born in the Oklahoma Territory in the
>>> proverbial sod hut. Married at 14, she arrievd in California in a
>>> covered wagon. She lived long enough to see the rise of telephones,
>>> cars, aircraft, radio, television, and computers, and watched man walk
>>> on the moon.... She raised 15 kids, and never owned a car. She'd still
>>> walk to the grocery to buy her groceries. Then she took a fall, broke
>>> her hip and went down hill from there.
>>>
>>> In 5000 years, someone will probably dig up her bones and marvel at
>>> the type of creatures which existed and wonder about their social
>>> existances. And nobody will care that her greatgrandson drove a 65
>>> Mustang Fastback that ran on dino fuel.
>>>
>>> :0) LOL

>>
>> Boy, you take the long view... I don't think that, in 5000 years, anyone
>> is going to be around to dig up her bones. If they did, they wouldn't be
>> able to tell any more from hers than from yours.
>>
>> It's very possible that the single biggest element of our society to live
>> down through the ages is the fact that WE killed Mother Earth with all of
>> our racing around on dino fuel, forcing mankind to either flee its home
>> planet or adapt to living on a global-warmed-out rock. Ergo, you - as an
>> active participant in the destruction - would hold more significance to
>> future earthspawn than your great grandmother.

>
> IMO, humans are more like cockroaches than we care to admit. It will take
> much more than a good bout of global warming to kill us off completely.
> We have survived ice ages, scorching global warming and are still
> standing. There just won't be six billion of us around but there will be
> enough to carry on.


There'll be three times our number living on half the land surface. But if
we come up with something like Soylent Green and no longer need farming,
even half the land surface would be more than enough.

> There are just a few things, IMO, that can really kill us off completely.
> A large asteroid/comet slamming us, a huge super volcanic eruption, being
> in the path of a freak gamma ray burst and something we can do to
> ourselves.... creating a biological weapon, or mistake, that has the
> potential to kill even human on the planet. Right now I give odds to the
> biological route to do us in first.


I like the freak gamma ray thing. Imagine if we all turned into the
Fantastic Twenty Billion. That'd be cool.

I've always wanted to be able to fly.

dwight


  #15  
Old February 25th 07, 07:19 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
Michael Johnson
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wrote:
> On Feb 25, 11:37 am, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
> You'd give up the KB puffer for more cubes?


It's a tough choice but I would. I have so many gadgets on the car from
DIY computer programming, A/F meters, knock sensors, water/and/or
alcohol injection etc. that it takes the fun out of it for me. I want
something I can start up and drive with absolutely no hassles and, IMO,
a N/A big cube engine it the best choice. When a car is designed from
the factory for forced induction like the '03+ Cobras etc. a blower
makes good sense. Converting a car that wasn't designed for it is
expensive and frustrating at times to keep running. The one thing the
KB has taught me is that a lot of torque is what I REALLY like. It can
make just going to the grocery store for milk an adventure.

> Patrick
>
>>>>> You've long since surpassed me with the mileage (we were neck and neck
>>>>> there for a while), but I'm with you 100%. Our Mustangs are part of the
>>>>> family.
>>>>> It's just about time for the LX to be "born again" as a restomod, so I
>>>>> am starting with my plans. Suggestions are most welcome.
>>>> I'm a big fan of the sleeper look. Maybe lower it a tad and keep the
>>>> exterior and interior looking bone stock. No one will know the car's
>>>> potential unless they crawl under it, open the hood or witness the
>>>> throttle getting hammered.
>>> And you know Joe, I'm with Mike on this. I vote keep it a plain Jane
>>> on the outside & interior, but have King Kong power under the hood. A
>>> super clean car will always get noticed, and if you want more
>>> attention simply dropping the hammer on the strong running car will
>>> get you plenty.
>>>> How much horsepower do you want to make? That will determine a lot of
>>>> other things.
>>> 300 RW would be plenty fun/and very streetable.

>> The nice thing about fuel injection and computer control is that nearly
>> all hp levels are very streetable nowadays. I would opt for a 302 block
>> stroked to 331/347 cubic inches or just go for the gold and get a
>> stroked 351W. A 351W stroked to 392 cubic inches is a cheap and easy
>> build and will give 400+ rwtq/rwhp if done right.
>>
>> When I get back into my '89 LX it will sport a 427W with motor mounts
>> that let me keep the stock hood. Blowers are nice but I want the
>> reliability and simplicity of a N/A engine. To keep the torque levels I
>> have now I need cubic inches.

>
>

  #16  
Old February 25th 07, 07:49 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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dwight wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> dwight wrote:
>>> "Spike" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> My great grandmother was born in the Oklahoma Territory in the
>>>> proverbial sod hut. Married at 14, she arrievd in California in a
>>>> covered wagon. She lived long enough to see the rise of telephones,
>>>> cars, aircraft, radio, television, and computers, and watched man walk
>>>> on the moon.... She raised 15 kids, and never owned a car. She'd still
>>>> walk to the grocery to buy her groceries. Then she took a fall, broke
>>>> her hip and went down hill from there.
>>>>
>>>> In 5000 years, someone will probably dig up her bones and marvel at
>>>> the type of creatures which existed and wonder about their social
>>>> existances. And nobody will care that her greatgrandson drove a 65
>>>> Mustang Fastback that ran on dino fuel.
>>>>
>>>> :0) LOL
>>> Boy, you take the long view... I don't think that, in 5000 years, anyone
>>> is going to be around to dig up her bones. If they did, they wouldn't be
>>> able to tell any more from hers than from yours.
>>>
>>> It's very possible that the single biggest element of our society to live
>>> down through the ages is the fact that WE killed Mother Earth with all of
>>> our racing around on dino fuel, forcing mankind to either flee its home
>>> planet or adapt to living on a global-warmed-out rock. Ergo, you - as an
>>> active participant in the destruction - would hold more significance to
>>> future earthspawn than your great grandmother.

>> IMO, humans are more like cockroaches than we care to admit. It will take
>> much more than a good bout of global warming to kill us off completely.
>> We have survived ice ages, scorching global warming and are still
>> standing. There just won't be six billion of us around but there will be
>> enough to carry on.

>
> There'll be three times our number living on half the land surface. But if
> we come up with something like Soylent Green and no longer need farming,
> even half the land surface would be more than enough.


The only reason there are six billion of us now it due to the technology
we have. Take that away and the numbers will drop like a rock. Most
of us are too stupid to survive on our own wits. I imagine we can
greatly add to the population levels if we use technology to keep us
fed, clothed and sheltered. Wait until some geneticist finds a way to
double or triple the human life span. Then things will get ugly fast.

Say we make it up to 20 billion people living on the planet. My guess
is our technology prowess will be formidable and one of the wacky
environmental or religious nuts will have the ability to whip up a
nasty, fast acting virus to kill ever human on the planet or maybe just
have it target 95% of the population to even things out again. IMO,
this makes nuclear weapons look tame in comparison. We would be wishing
for the days when a good old thermo nuclear war was our biggest threat.

>> There are just a few things, IMO, that can really kill us off completely.
>> A large asteroid/comet slamming us, a huge super volcanic eruption, being
>> in the path of a freak gamma ray burst and something we can do to
>> ourselves.... creating a biological weapon, or mistake, that has the
>> potential to kill even human on the planet. Right now I give odds to the
>> biological route to do us in first.

>
> I like the freak gamma ray thing. Imagine if we all turned into the
> Fantastic Twenty Billion. That'd be cool.


Actually the gamma ray burst is feasible. It seems that during our
rotation around the Milky Way there is a place where we are more likely
to get hit by one. Some scientists think it is responsible for one of
the mass extinctions that they can't link to any catastrophic event like
an asteroid/comet impact, volcanic eruption etc. The burst would burn
off the ozone layer, cause acid rain and turn the atmosphere toxic on a
global scale that would wipe out all but the most hearty of life forms
at the ocean bottom or deep underground. The really bad part of this is
we would have absolutely no warning before it hit and it would be over
in a flash (no pun intended).

> I've always wanted to be able to fly.


I want to be the rubber man. Then I am married to Jessica Alba.
  #17  
Old February 25th 07, 09:37 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"dwight" > wrote in
:

> "Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "dwight" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> "Joe" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> You've long since surpassed me with the mileage (we were neck and
>>>> neck there for a while), but I'm with you 100%. Our Mustangs are
>>>> part of the family.
>>>>
>>>> It's just about time for the LX to be "born again" as a restomod,
>>>> so I am starting with my plans. Suggestions are most welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
>>>> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>>>
>>> Engine. Body. Interior.

>>
>> My list reads drivetrain, suspension, body, interior (if I get that
>> far).

>
> I lump the suspension in with the body, otherwise body would be
> entirely cosmetic. On my list, body includes the underpinnings. (Oh,
> yeah... one of my Koni quad shocks is leaking, too - add that to the
> list.)


I don't remember - does TFrog had subframe connectors? I seem to recall
that the suspension on your car was pretty much stock.

>>> Make your lists. I start as "if money were no object" and then pare
>>> it down to "things I really should do."
>>>
>>> Engine: new crate engine all the way down to new serpentine belts.

>>
>> I'm going with drivetrain, which includes a crate engine coupled to
>> something like a LenTech. My Auburn is sill fine, so the rear end
>> should be ok as is.

>
> Five years ago, my list included the crate engine, matched to a new
> manual trans and complete exhaust makeover. Well, since then I've had
> the tranny overhauled and now added the H-pipe to my cat-back, so I've
> got the exhaust covered. Everything but the new engine.


Sounds good. What about add-ons like headers, intake, cam, etc.?

>>> Body: new black paint job down to just replacing that cracked
>>> windshield grille.

>>
>> I want to have the unibody straightened out and trued, and I need to
>> have some front end issues resolved. The last idiot that put the car
>> on a flatbed chained the front end incorrectly and the chains
>> distorted the front support underneath the radiator. That all needs
>> to be sorted out.
>>
>> There are also a few other odds 'n' ends like trim pieces (and yes,
>> the windshield grille) and a few dings here and there, but the color
>> will remain the same - Calypso Green.

>
> (I was talking about TFrog, natcherly. I know you like that Calypso.
> As you know, I almost bought your car - a Calypso Green hatchback, but
> decided to go with the black at the last moment.)


Yes, it's ironic. The LX I ended up with was the last automatic on the
lot (that was one of the conditions my wife made me agree to), so I had
no choice in color. Actually, I didn't like it all that much for the
first month or so. But the color definitely grew on me, and I just love
it now. That color's all but disappeared.

>>> Interior: (this may be where my focus is this year) I'd love to have
>>> new seats and harnesses, but there's the mundane: Trim pieces have
>>> come loose, there's a shock tower plastic cover missing in the hatch
>>> area, and (I drive with the left window down a lot) do I try to
>>> clean the headliner or replace it?

>>
>> The interior of the LX is still pretty good except for the headliner,
>> the sun shades, and the ashtray cover. Seats need a good cleaning,
>> but they are still fine. I even have the original netting for the
>> hatch area.

>
> Somehow, I ended up with two of those rollup hatch covers. Maybe one
> was left over from the '84 after I sold it. But it hasn't been in the
> car since I brought it home from the dealership.


Forgot all about that thing - mine's still working fine. The spring
still has the tension and the shade isn't ripped at all. Just a bit
discolored from the sun.

>>> I suppose, all in all, TFrog is in pretty good shape, so if I just
>>> stuck to the cosmetic, it would look great. But, as an investment in
>>> its future, I need to prepare to spend some serious money.
>>>
>>> dwight

>>
>> I'm thinking 10 grand should take care of the drivetrain and stuff
>> with the suspension like bushings, control arms, etc. The springs
>> are Steeda and I'll need shocks/struts, but the basics are there.
>> Subframes are there, and I have the caster/camber plates too. 10
>> grand should get me to the point where all that's left will be
>> cosmetics.
>>
>> Joe
>> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
>> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

>
> Wow... When I priced this out, I figured $10-$12K would give me
> everything, including the killer black paint job...
>
> Now, as we contemplate restoration... RESTORATION!...I'm going to have
> to go back and figure out what all of this means in 2007 dollars.
>
>)


Now that I've reviewed my list, I'm thinking 13-15k will do it. 10 just
won't be enough.
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Old February 25th 07, 09:54 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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> On Feb 24, 11:24 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>
>> > You've long since surpassed me with the mileage (we were neck and
>> > neck there for a while), but I'm with you 100%. Our Mustangs are
>> > part of the family.

>
>> > It's just about time for the LX to be "born again" as a restomod,
>> > so I am starting with my plans. Suggestions are most welcome.

>
>> I'm a big fan of the sleeper look. Maybe lower it a tad and keep the
>> exterior and interior looking bone stock.


The car's already lowered about 1-1/2" with the Steeda sport springs.
It sits perfectly right now, although we have to be careful on rough
roads or we'll rip out the exhaust on a nice bump. No way it'll go
through a car wash.

> No one will know the car's
>> potential unless they crawl under it, open the hood or witness the
>> throttle getting hammered.

>
> And you know Joe, I'm with Mike on this. I vote keep it a plain Jane
> on the outside & interior, but have King Kong power under the hood. A
> super clean car will always get noticed, and if you want more
> attention simply dropping the hammer on the strong running car will
> get you plenty.


I totally agree with you guys, but it's already got a Cervini 'glass
hood with a small cowl, maybe 1" or so. That's the only giveaway.

>> How much horsepower do you want to make? That will determine a lot
>> of other things.

>
> 300 RW would be plenty fun/and very streetable.
>
> Patrick


I looked at dwight's link in the next post, and even the "mild" M-6007-
XE3M would be nice. It's available with the E303 cam, which should work
well with the automatic. The hyper pistons should be ok seeing that
it'll be n/a. It's also very reasonably priced.
  #19  
Old February 25th 07, 09:56 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> "dwight" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Joe" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "dwight" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> "Joe" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> You've long since surpassed me with the mileage (we were neck and
>>>>> neck there for a while), but I'm with you 100%. Our Mustangs are
>>>>> part of the family.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just about time for the LX to be "born again" as a restomod,
>>>>> so I am starting with my plans. Suggestions are most welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
>>>>> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>>>>
>>>> Engine. Body. Interior.
>>>
>>> My list reads drivetrain, suspension, body, interior (if I get that
>>> far).

>>
>> I lump the suspension in with the body, otherwise body would be
>> entirely cosmetic. On my list, body includes the underpinnings. (Oh,
>> yeah... one of my Koni quad shocks is leaking, too - add that to the
>> list.)

>
> I don't remember - does TFrog had subframe connectors? I seem to recall
> that the suspension on your car was pretty much stock.


It's all on the website, but yes - subframes, strut tower brace, lower
chassis brace. This was done early on. That leaking Koni has to be at least
10 years old. Not bad!

>>>> Make your lists. I start as "if money were no object" and then pare
>>>> it down to "things I really should do."
>>>>
>>>> Engine: new crate engine all the way down to new serpentine belts.
>>>
>>> I'm going with drivetrain, which includes a crate engine coupled to
>>> something like a LenTech. My Auburn is sill fine, so the rear end
>>> should be ok as is.

>>
>> Five years ago, my list included the crate engine, matched to a new
>> manual trans and complete exhaust makeover. Well, since then I've had
>> the tranny overhauled and now added the H-pipe to my cat-back, so I've
>> got the exhaust covered. Everything but the new engine.

>
> Sounds good. What about add-ons like headers, intake, cam, etc.?


The least of the crate engines at FordRacing.com puts out 340 horses, and (I
believe) comes with a mild cam and GT40 heads. No intake, so I'd probably
match it up with the GT40 intake manifold (?).

http://www.fordracingparts.com:80/cr...smallblock.asp is what I'm
looking at.

>>>> Body: new black paint job down to just replacing that cracked
>>>> windshield grille.
>>>
>>> I want to have the unibody straightened out and trued, and I need to
>>> have some front end issues resolved. The last idiot that put the car
>>> on a flatbed chained the front end incorrectly and the chains
>>> distorted the front support underneath the radiator. That all needs
>>> to be sorted out.
>>>
>>> There are also a few other odds 'n' ends like trim pieces (and yes,
>>> the windshield grille) and a few dings here and there, but the color
>>> will remain the same - Calypso Green.

>>
>> (I was talking about TFrog, natcherly. I know you like that Calypso.
>> As you know, I almost bought your car - a Calypso Green hatchback, but
>> decided to go with the black at the last moment.)

>
> Yes, it's ironic. The LX I ended up with was the last automatic on the
> lot (that was one of the conditions my wife made me agree to), so I had
> no choice in color. Actually, I didn't like it all that much for the
> first month or so. But the color definitely grew on me, and I just love
> it now. That color's all but disappeared.


Yeah, slim pickin's in September '93. The largest Ford dealer in
Philadelphia had only a few left on the lot. I was the reverse - it had to
have a stick, so the choice was black or the Cayman Green.

>>>> Interior: (this may be where my focus is this year) I'd love to have
>>>> new seats and harnesses, but there's the mundane: Trim pieces have
>>>> come loose, there's a shock tower plastic cover missing in the hatch
>>>> area, and (I drive with the left window down a lot) do I try to
>>>> clean the headliner or replace it?
>>>
>>> The interior of the LX is still pretty good except for the headliner,
>>> the sun shades, and the ashtray cover. Seats need a good cleaning,
>>> but they are still fine. I even have the original netting for the
>>> hatch area.

>>
>> Somehow, I ended up with two of those rollup hatch covers. Maybe one
>> was left over from the '84 after I sold it. But it hasn't been in the
>> car since I brought it home from the dealership.

>
> Forgot all about that thing - mine's still working fine. The spring
> still has the tension and the shade isn't ripped at all. Just a bit
> discolored from the sun.
>
>>>> I suppose, all in all, TFrog is in pretty good shape, so if I just
>>>> stuck to the cosmetic, it would look great. But, as an investment in
>>>> its future, I need to prepare to spend some serious money.
>>>>
>>>> dwight
>>>
>>> I'm thinking 10 grand should take care of the drivetrain and stuff
>>> with the suspension like bushings, control arms, etc. The springs
>>> are Steeda and I'll need shocks/struts, but the basics are there.
>>> Subframes are there, and I have the caster/camber plates too. 10
>>> grand should get me to the point where all that's left will be
>>> cosmetics.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
>>> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

>>
>> Wow... When I priced this out, I figured $10-$12K would give me
>> everything, including the killer black paint job...
>>
>> Now, as we contemplate restoration... RESTORATION!...I'm going to have
>> to go back and figure out what all of this means in 2007 dollars.
>>
>>)

>
> Now that I've reviewed my list, I'm thinking 13-15k will do it. 10 just
> won't be enough.


Not by a long shot.

)


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Default Of Old Farts and dinosaurs...

"dwight" > wrote in
:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> And you know Joe, I'm with Mike on this. I vote keep it a plain Jane
>> on the outside & interior, but have King Kong power under the hood. A
>> super clean car will always get noticed, and if you want more
>> attention simply dropping the hammer on the strong running car will
>> get you plenty.

>
> I keep seeing the reverse. Big bulging hoods on 4-cylinder Foxes.
>
>>> How much horsepower do you want to make? That will determine a lot

of
>>> other things.

>>
>> 300 RW would be plenty fun/and very streetable.
>>
>> Patrick

>
> The "mild" crate engine is supposed to produce 340hp. Unless I'm wrong
> (usually the case), it's a straight drop-in replacement.
>
> http://www.fordracingparts.com/crate...smallblock.asp
>
> (I see it's also gone from about $3200 five years ago to $4300 today.)
>
> dwight


As I responded to Patrick and Michael, the M-6007-XE3M is just about the
perfect engine. The E303 cam is great with the automatic and when
everything is said and done it should be able to put out close to 300
RWHP. You should get more with the 5-speed. The only thing extra I'll
need is a set of shorty headers. I've already got the Cobra intake and
the bigger MAF.
 




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