Do expensive cars inspire road rage?

On 16 Jan 2006 08:49:44 -0800, "Run for the "
> wrote:


Plonk to another ****tard...

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Dave

Larry Bud wrote:
> Run for the wrote:
> > Larry Bud wrote:
> > > > I can see hating SUV
> > > > owners since they drive troop-killer vehicles, but who cares if the car
> > > > is merely expensive.?
> > >
> > > People who are even more nuts than you, if that's possible.
> >
> > There is a lot of resentment against people who earn a certain amount
> > of money.
> >
> > That's a shame, because not ALL wealthy people are arrogant assholes,
> > like the Bush family.
>
> Wow? You KNOW the President? Amazing.

You don't?

Wow.

Amazing.

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend, > was motivated
to say this in rec.autos.driving on 15 Jan 2006 23:07:26 -0800:

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> I've driven junkers all my life and seldom have problems with rude

<snip of sociopathic drivel>

> is merely expensive.?

I don't think so. I'm perfectly content to rage at anyone who ****es me
off. I don't give a flying **** if they are driving a cheap piece of
**** like yours or an expensive piece of **** like a Jag. I'm equal
opportunity in that department

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In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:41:08 -0600,
> (Brent P) wrote:
>
>>The torqueless wonder car with it's faded paint and touch of visible rust
>>wasn't enough to deter people. Had some guy in a brand new audi want to
>>force his way in front of me by threat of low speed collision...
>
> You shoulda called his bluff.

I did. he backed down.

> I don't get it... people don't seem to even notice what kind of car you
> drive anymore, at least around here. I've driven down a busy highway ina
> shiny black '55 Stude coupe (one of the most beautiful cars ever made) and
> nobody even looks at me.

Matters of beauty is a very personal thing. What is a beauty for you might be
ugly for somebody else.
Also, as a driver of something very different and rare, you look from a
different point of view than a general population. People do notice a nice
and/or expensive car right away. An old clunker it is a different story.
I would not look at it (55 Stude) either. A Stud or anything else that old on
a road, does not matter how rusty or shiny, it is not worth a look.
For me (and I'm not a teen) anything older than 10 -15 years is just a piece
of junk. Restoring a piece of scrap and putting it back on a road, has no use
or purpose. Handling, polution standards, fuel usage, braking etc is not up
today needs so driving it is just plain stupid.And beeing proud of it is
beyond my understanding.
In my opinion unless it is for a museum, spending money and/or life to restore
an old piece of scrap is just terrible waste of resources.

"Robert" > wrote in message
...
>> I don't get it... people don't seem to even notice what kind of car you
>> drive anymore, at least around here. I've driven down a busy highway ina
>> shiny black '55 Stude coupe (one of the most beautiful cars ever made)
>> and
>> nobody even looks at me.
>
> Matters of beauty is a very personal thing. What is a beauty for you might
> be
> ugly for somebody else.
> Also, as a driver of something very different and rare, you look from a
> different point of view than a general population. People do notice a
> nice
> and/or expensive car right away. An old clunker it is a different story.
> I would not look at it (55 Stude) either. A Stud or anything else that old
> on
> a road, does not matter how rusty or shiny, it is not worth a look.
> For me (and I'm not a teen) anything older than 10 -15 years is just a
> piece
> of junk. Restoring a piece of scrap and putting it back on a road, has no
> use
> or purpose. Handling, polution standards, fuel usage, braking etc is not
> up
> today needs so driving it is just plain stupid.And beeing proud of it is
> beyond my understanding.
> In my opinion unless it is for a museum, spending money and/or life to
> restore
> an old piece of scrap is just terrible waste of resources.


You want UGLEEE? Somebody could force you to drive one of the ugly lime
green Pontiac Aztecs. The winner in General Motors "let's build the ugliest
cxar in world histoiry contest."
Just looking at one of those things causes small children to vomit.

And by the way the Stude was pretty.

I realize this is probably just a troll but...

Robert wrote:

> > I don't get it... people don't seem to even notice what kind of car you
> > drive anymore, at least around here. I've driven down a busy highway ina
> > shiny black '55 Stude coupe (one of the most beautiful cars ever made) and
> > nobody even looks at me.
>
> Matters of beauty is a very personal thing. What is a beauty for you might be
> ugly for somebody else.

Well, the museum of modern art saw fit to display the original '53
version of that body style, which is still a very clean, pretty design.
Very few people could argue with that. If nothing else, there was
clear influence on other timeless designs like the Porsche 911, just to
name one.

> Also, as a driver of something very different and rare, you look from a
> different point of view than a general population. People do notice a nice
> and/or expensive car right away. An old clunker it is a different story.

Never said it was a "clunker" - sure the interior is a little rough but
it looks almost new from the outside.

> I would not look at it (55 Stude) either. A Stud or anything else that old on
> a road, does not matter how rusty or shiny, it is not worth a look.
> For me (and I'm not a teen) anything older than 10 -15 years is just a piece
> of junk. Restoring a piece of scrap and putting it back on a road, has no use
> or purpose. Handling, polution standards, fuel usage, braking etc is not up
> today needs so driving it is just plain stupid.And beeing proud of it is
> beyond my understanding.
> In my opinion unless it is for a museum, spending money and/or life to restore
> an old piece of scrap is just terrible waste of resources.

Really? IMHO there's several things that old cars have going for them.

1) do you have any idea how much in the way of materials and energy it
takes to produce a new vehicle? Ecologically speaking, it's almost
always preferable to keep maintaining an older vehicle, assuming it's
in good repair, than to buy a new one. Economically, as well.

2) Older vehicles are much simpler, and easier for the DIYer to work
on. A new car is likely to have electronics that will be obsolete and
unavailable in a few decades, thus unless it is a special interest
model it will likely be impossible to keep it running once the
electronics start to fail.

3) Some (not all, but some) older vehicles are "overbuilt" to the point
where it is literally possible to keep them running indefinitely with
only routine maintenance. That is not true with newer vehicles. Often
they are engineered so finely that after x number of years or miles
components will start to fail with such regularity that it is not
economic to keep repairing them. An older vehicle with a good,
high-nickel engine block and robust drivetrain components can be kept
going nearly forever, with occasional replacements of things like
rings, bearings, and valve guides.

just MHO... and certainly getting off the point of my original post
which was that at least in my area people seem to be pretty blase and
indifferent to what you drive, no matter how unique.

nate

On 16-Jan-2006, Nate Nagel > wrote:

> I don't get it... people don't seem to even notice what kind of car
> you
> drive anymore, at least around here. I've driven down a busy
> highway in
> a shiny black '55 Stude coupe (one of the most beautiful cars ever
> made)
> and nobody even looks at me. So I don't see how merely driving a
> new
> Jag would change the attitudes of others toward you... they
> probably
> don't give a crap. I feel sorry for anyone who spends lots of $$$
> on a
> car just so that they can get attention from others... but then
> again,
> they're good people to buy used cars from

I assure you I'd certainly notice such a piece of machinery tooling
down the road. :-)
DH and I always point out lovely old cars to each other - if they've
been chopped and mangled it's to lament the loss.

--
Handy guide to modern science: If it's green or wriggles, it's
biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it doesn't work, it's
physics.
Carmen

Carmen wrote:
> On 16-Jan-2006, Nate Nagel > wrote:
>
> > I don't get it... people don't seem to even notice what kind of car
> > you
> > drive anymore, at least around here. I've driven down a busy
> > highway in
> > a shiny black '55 Stude coupe (one of the most beautiful cars ever
> > made)
> > and nobody even looks at me. So I don't see how merely driving a
> > new
> > Jag would change the attitudes of others toward you... they
> > probably
> > don't give a crap. I feel sorry for anyone who spends lots of $$$
> > on a
> > car just so that they can get attention from others... but then
> > again,
> > they're good people to buy used cars from
>
> I assure you I'd certainly notice such a piece of machinery tooling
> down the road. :-)
> DH and I always point out lovely old cars to each other - if they've
> been chopped and mangled it's to lament the loss.
>
> --
> Handy guide to modern science: If it's green or wriggles, it's
> biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it doesn't work, it's
> physics.
> Carmen

don't worry, it's not "chopped and mangled," just tastefully dechromed
and it has big fatty tires on it (argh argh ARGH ARGH ARGH <G>)

nate

N8N wrote:
> I realize this is probably just a troll but...
>
> Robert wrote:
>
> > > I don't get it... people don't seem to even notice what kind of car you
> > > drive anymore, at least around here. I've driven down a busy highway ina
> > > shiny black '55 Stude coupe (one of the most beautiful cars ever made) and
> > > nobody even looks at me.
> >
> > Matters of beauty is a very personal thing. What is a beauty for you might be
> > ugly for somebody else.
>
> Well, the museum of modern art saw fit to display the original '53
> version of that body style, which is still a very clean, pretty design.
> Very few people could argue with that. If nothing else, there was
> clear influence on other timeless designs like the Porsche 911, just to
> name one.
>
> > Also, as a driver of something very different and rare, you look from a
> > different point of view than a general population. People do notice a nice
> > and/or expensive car right away. An old clunker it is a different story.
>
> Never said it was a "clunker" - sure the interior is a little rough but
> it looks almost new from the outside.
>
> > I would not look at it (55 Stude) either. A Stud or anything else that old on
> > a road, does not matter how rusty or shiny, it is not worth a look.
> > For me (and I'm not a teen) anything older than 10 -15 years is just a piece
> > of junk. Restoring a piece of scrap and putting it back on a road, has no use
> > or purpose. Handling, polution standards, fuel usage, braking etc is not up
> > today needs so driving it is just plain stupid.And beeing proud of it is
> > beyond my understanding.
> > In my opinion unless it is for a museum, spending money and/or life to restore
> > an old piece of scrap is just terrible waste of resources.
>
> Really? IMHO there's several things that old cars have going for them.
>
> 1) do you have any idea how much in the way of materials and energy it
> takes to produce a new vehicle? Ecologically speaking, it's almost
> always preferable to keep maintaining an older vehicle, assuming it's
> in good repair, than to buy a new one. Economically, as well.
>
> 2) Older vehicles are much simpler, and easier for the DIYer to work
> on. A new car is likely to have electronics that will be obsolete and
> unavailable in a few decades, thus unless it is a special interest
> model it will likely be impossible to keep it running once the
> electronics start to fail.
>
> 3) Some (not all, but some) older vehicles are "overbuilt" to the point
> where it is literally possible to keep them running indefinitely with
> only routine maintenance. That is not true with newer vehicles. Often
> they are engineered so finely that after x number of years or miles
> components will start to fail with such regularity that it is not
> economic to keep repairing them. An older vehicle with a good,
> high-nickel engine block and robust drivetrain components can be kept
> going nearly forever, with occasional replacements of things like
> rings, bearings, and valve guides.
>
> just MHO... and certainly getting off the point of my original post
> which was that at least in my area people seem to be pretty blase and
> indifferent to what you drive, no matter how unique.
>
> nate

Love to see old cars as long as they are original. Hate to see one
that has been modified. As to what people drive, I pity anyone who
buys a car thinking others will envy them, they have a distinct lack of
personal worth. Back when, up to about 1980s, you could identify a car
at least as to make a block away, now it is hard to do standing next to
them, they all look alike with only a few exceptions. Maker A develops
a good selling design and everybody copies it. The example is the Ford
Taurus and the "wedge". Within a few years every maker was using the
"wedge".

Harry K