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  #11  
Old March 23rd 05, 05:35 PM
jaybird
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"Dave Head" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.

>
> On one hand, you're consistent! <G>


I asked myself why that is and came up with a pretty good answer. There are
a lot of stories that come through these groups where cops have screwed up.
You can read the story and say "yeah, that guy f#$cked up". Then there are
stories like this one where someone got their feelings hurt. Well, boo
freakin hoo. Suck it up like a man and move on with your life; you'll be
ok. Then of course, there are the ones in the middle where we don't quite
have all of the information so we go back and forth for weeks with people
making up crap and assumptions the whole way. A good personal example is of
a complaint that came in the other day. Some guy wrote a letter complaining
to internal affairs that he received two citations and the cop was rude to
him. IA wrote their official report and sent it to the supervisor to
investigate. The supervisor calls the violator and asks him how the cop was
rude. The answer he got was "well, he wrote me two tickets". "Uh..... ok,
that's something you'll have to see a judge about. Tell me how the cop was
rude". "Well if he hadn't written me two tickets I never would've
complained". "Ok, sir, you have a nice day". Case closed, unfounded.
That's why stories like this bug the hell out of me.

>
> On the other hand, I agree - the bunch around here is very, very quick to
> have
> people fired or say that a person shouldn't be driving. Leave it up to
> this
> bunch, and _nobody_ would be qualified to drive due to some innocuous
> minutia
> about their driving that they simply don't like.


Apparently they can all be better cops than the ones currently employed too.

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  #12  
Old March 23rd 05, 05:48 PM
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
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> >Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve

the
> >public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every

single
> >person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person

of
> >something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost

respect
> >and courtesy.
> >
> >Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
> >this pig working on the force.

>
> Your hypocrisy is dripping off my screen and onto my keyboard.
>
> So let me ask you a question, Cory: why do you expect courtesy and
> respect from the police when you refuse to extend thst same courtesy
> and respect to them? Do you believe that paying the officer's salary
> entitles you to treat them with disrespect and hatred? I'm no cop, but
> I can easily imagine what effect 18 years of dealing with this kind of
> irrational cop-hatred would have on a person.


I did not come into this world hating cops. I used to like them, admire
them, and look up to them. Hell, I used to want to be a police officer. It
was a position I admired and thought very highly of. Protecting people,
keeping people safe, in general making the world a better place. Not anymore
though, as I've realized that's not what being a cop is about... Not by a
long shot.
I have found that good cops are usually in very high crime areas, such as
Camden, NJ. Police officers in those areas are typically quite friendly and
respectful. They are polite and courteous and actually have personalities.
They are not so bitter and looking for the easy way out of anything and
everything that most cops seem to be. They will talk, and they will listen.
Cops in low crime areas seem to be full of themselves, generally they are
arrogant *******s who don't have respect for anyone or anything.

> It's only human nature
> to begin hating the people whom we know to hate us


Thank you, that precisely explains why I hate cops. They have shown me time
and time again that they don't give a damn about truth, legality, or safety.
Furthermore they have shown themselves to be completely disrespectful and
rude in their behavior. I can only take so much of that before I come to the
conclusion that the majority of cops are very bitter people who don't care
about anything the police's PR department spouts (such as the advertising
slogan "To protect and serve" designed to boost PR, as jaybird explained).
I've dealt with enough bitter cops taking out their anger and bitterness on
me. I've seen enough cops driving recklessly and abusing their power. I'm
fed up with it, I hate cops for those reasons. As you said, it's only human
nature...

Cory


  #13  
Old March 23rd 05, 06:04 PM
Skip Elliott Bowman
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The father of the motorcycle victim was on the Early Show this morning. He
had enough to deal with behind losing his son, which is a pain I hope no one
here ever experiences, and then he has this jerk of a cop blowing off the
friend who called it in like it was a crank call.

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
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>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.

>
> While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
> that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
> the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
> article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
> well.


Apparently, folks reading this thread missed this part of the article:

"Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
investigation for several offenses, including conduct
unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
of decorum, police said."

> This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
> an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
> it magically disappear after 15 days.


Zacly, Scott. He's been getting away with this for years and years, and
only now did he get caught.

I predict this officer will have
> future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
> enough of them he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
> retire or something).


The only times I have known police officers to be fired is when they are
caught selling drugs on the job or having kiddie porn on their computer.
But when an unarmed suspect is shot to death, the grand jury will not hand
down an indictment. That being the case, does anybody truly believe that
being rude to a 911 caller is grounds for dismissal to an 18-year veteran?

I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign him
to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public. Police
forces need to realize that being nice to their employers (us) goes a long
way toward instilling loyalty to cops. I don't mean baby-talk suspects, but
there is no cause to be rude just because they have a badge and a gun.

And just for the record, my dad was a decorated bureau detective, my mom was
a court reporter, and her mom was a PO. So much for being a cop-hater


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Old March 23rd 05, 06:10 PM
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Cory Dunkle wrote:
> Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
> agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate.


And *you've* *never* done anything inappropriate, huh? Never will,
either. Just remember that the first time you *do*, there'll be some
idiot calling for you to be tossed out of your *profession* for *the
rest of your life*. But that's perfectly fair, isn't it, Cory? One
screwup and you're *out*!

> Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They

serve the
> public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every

single
> person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that

person of
> something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost

respect
> and courtesy.


And in return get to be called "ass hole" and "pig", right, Cory?

> Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes

like
> this pig working on the force.


It'd be a helluva lot more pleasant without conclusion-jumping
judgmental young morons, too. But I'm not mentioning any *names* ...
Cory.
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Old March 23rd 05, 06:15 PM
Skip Elliott Bowman
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
>>Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve
>>the
>>public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every single
>>person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person
>>of
>>something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost respect
>>and courtesy.
>>
>>Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
>>this pig working on the force.

>
> Your hypocrisy is dripping off my screen and onto my keyboard.
>
> So let me ask you a question, Cory: why do you expect courtesy and
> respect from the police when you refuse to extend thst same courtesy
> and respect to them? Do you believe that paying the officer's salary
> entitles you to treat them with disrespect and hatred?


I don't believe that anybody deserves to be treated with disrespect or
hatred just because they are a LEO. Neither do I believe that carrying a
badge and gun gives cops the right to treat the public they serve with
arrogance and disdain. Admit it--there are cops who are bullies hiding
behind their shield. Just a few of those can and do taint an entire
department.

I'm no cop, but
> I can easily imagine what effect 18 years of dealing with this kind of
> irrational cop-hatred would have on a person. It's only human nature
> to begin hating the people whom we know to hate us; this is
> undoubtedly a factor in the trooper's rude behavior as reported in the
> article.


People who want to be cops go in knowing they will see the dregs of human
existence on a daily basis. They'll see worse than imaginable examples of
man-s inhumanity to man all the time. If they can't find a way to handle
that other than becoming rude and nasty then they need to look for another
line of work.

Being a LEO is often touted as being in harm's way every day, but the fact
is it's a relatively safe profession compared to commercial fisherman,
logger, construction worker, or coal miner. So don't tell me that the
demands of the job automatically make cops into jerks. A real professional
does their job with respect, dignity, and compassion. Almost every veteran
cop (and every single chief/county sheriff, retired or not) I know has a
positive attitude, and is motivated by wanting to do the right thing for
their community on their watch.

Trooper Peasley has an 18 year record, but that doesn't mean he should be
allowed to act with such blatant disrespect to a 911 caller and not get
disciplined for it.


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Old March 23rd 05, 06:16 PM
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jaybird wrote:
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> How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.


Well, yeah; as long as we got *you* to work with ... =;^)

It might be easier if you let guys like *me* ream Cory when he deserves
it so richly.
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Old March 23rd 05, 07:17 PM
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"Motorhead Lawyer" > wrote in message
ups.com...
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> jaybird wrote:
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>> How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.

>
> Well, yeah; as long as we got *you* to work with ... =;^)


I know, I end up being everyone's target because I'm the only one who cares
enough to stick around. Other cops have come and gone in here because they
don't need to put up with the crap like this guy...

>
> It might be easier if you let guys like *me* ream Cory when he deserves
> it so richly.


Naw, we can all gang up on him for being an ass.

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Old March 23rd 05, 07:38 PM
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jaybird wrote:
> "Motorhead Lawyer" > wrote in message
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>>jaybird wrote:
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>>> How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.

>>
>>Well, yeah; as long as we got *you* to work with ... =;^)

>
>
> I know, I end up being everyone's target because I'm the only one who cares
> enough to stick around. Other cops have come and gone in here because they
> don't need to put up with the crap like this guy...


Are you a 'desk' cop?
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Old March 23rd 05, 07:47 PM
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In article >,
jaybird > wrote:
>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>with that record, just based on a comment.


He's probably got no previous record because the union and other
coddlers of incompetence and malfeasance such as yourself got him off
the hook in those cases as well.
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Old March 23rd 05, 08:07 PM
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>with that record, just based on a comment.


How ****ing predictable.

He could have been responsible for the deaths of many people.

He willingly and knowingly refused to perform his job.

His attitude towards those he was supposed to help is just icing on
the cake.

**** him and **** you jaybird.

If you ever wondered why people hate cops, think about both what this
guy did and your reaction to it.

**** you again, you piece of ****
 




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