North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood

This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html

Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013

Some drivers in North Fort Worth on Friday were stopped at police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood. The request was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.

"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.

But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.

"They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that.. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that."

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
Americans a Year wrote:

> This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
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> http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
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> Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013
>

So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
Drive on through.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, richard wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
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> Americans a Year wrote:
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> > This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
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> > http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
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> So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
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> I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
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> Drive on through.

And if it is voluntary, it self selects the sober drivers. Any one under the influence of either drugs or alchohol would refuse.

Harry K

On 2013-11-20, Harry K > wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, richard wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
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>> Americans a Year wrote:
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>> > This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
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>> > http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
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>> > Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013
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>> So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
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>> I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
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>> Drive on through.
>
> And if it is voluntary, it self selects the sober drivers. Any one under the influence of either drugs or alchohol would refuse.

It's not about drunk driving.
They are seeing how far they can push people and normalizing their
actions.

In article >, Harry K wrote:
>On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, richard wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
>>
>> Americans a Year wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched
>when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't
>they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
>>
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>http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
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>> > Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013
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>> So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
>>
>> I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
>>
>> Drive on through.
>
>And if it is voluntary, it self selects the sober drivers. Any one
>under the influence of either drugs or alchohol would refuse.

Anyone under the influence of the Constitution would also refuse.

--
TJH
tjhiggin.at.hiwaay.dot.net

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
Americans a Year wrote:

> This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
>
> http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
>
> Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013

Wouldn't this be a violation of the 5th amendmnet?
A cop has to have "reasonable cause" to assume you are under the influence.
Cops can't just tell you to stop for any reason then demand you "volunteer"
to take tests which could result in your arrest.
Then they surely can't bust you because you refused to volunteer.

On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:14:06 AM UTC-8, T.J. Higgins wrote:
> In article >, Harry K wrote:
> >On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, richard wrote:
> >> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
> >> Americans a Year wrote:
>
> >http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
>
> >> So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
> >> I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
> >> Drive on through.
>
> >And if it is voluntary, it self selects the sober drivers. Any one>
> >under the influence of either drugs or alchohol would refuse.
>
> Anyone under the influence of the Constitution would also refuse.

Agreed but there is a big misunderstanding throughout this thread. It is not a
DWI checkpoint. It is a study to determine how many people under the influence are on the road:

"Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.

It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers"

The cops where there only to "assist" and traffic control. (sure they were LOL)

As such their "volunteer" part winds up testing only the sober ones and those too bombed to understand what is going on as well as ones who don't know their rights.

The "volunteer" part is obviously wrong also. Joe blow who has had a few too many "volunteers" - test finds him beyond the limit. Suuurrreee the tester is going to let him get back on the road. I also believe in the easter bunny.

Bottom line: Any results they get are worthless due to that self selection bit.
Harry K

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:22:26 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:

>On 2013-11-20, Harry K > wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, richard wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
>>>
>>> Americans a Year wrote:
>>>
>>>
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>>> > This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
>>>
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>>> > http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
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>>> > Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013
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>>> So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
>>>
>>> I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
>>>
>>> Drive on through.
>>
>> And if it is voluntary, it self selects the sober drivers. Any one under the influence of either drugs or alchohol would refuse.
>
>It's not about drunk driving.
>They are seeing how far they can push people and normalizing their
>actions.
>


About 10 years ago there was a news story about cops who were stopping
people to give them $10 gift cards as a reward for driving properly. I
guess they were watching people and if you signaled your turns and
such they would select you. If my memory is correct someone took them
to court over being stopped and the court ruled that even if the cops
where honestly trying to simply be nice and hand out gift cards it was
illegal for them to do this as they had no probably cause to stop you.
I think it was a state court. I suspect our schizophrenic US supreme
court would say it was OK since they almost always bend over for the
cops.

On 2013-11-22, Harry K > wrote:
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:14:06 AM UTC-8, T.J. Higgins wrote:
>> In article >, Harry K wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, richard wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
>> >> Americans a Year wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
>>
>> >> So the stupid sheeple bleet blindly and follow the cops "request".
>> >> I'd tell the cops they can take their signs and shove them up their wazoo.
>> >> Drive on through.
>>
>> >And if it is voluntary, it self selects the sober drivers. Any one>
>> >under the influence of either drugs or alchohol would refuse.
>>
>> Anyone under the influence of the Constitution would also refuse.

> Agreed but there is a big misunderstanding throughout this thread.
> It is not a DWI checkpoint. It is a study to determine how many
> people under the influence are on the road:

No, that's an excuse to condition people to accepting such things as
normal. To condition those employed by police departments and the
public to see such things as normal.

> "Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped
> at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they
> were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva
> and even blood.

> It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the
> number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers"

> The cops where there only to "assist" and traffic control. (sure
> they were LOL)

Exactly. They were there as part of the show, of the image, of the scam
that this was a legal activity and required of the people stopped. So
much government does started out by convincing people it was legit and
normal.

> As such their "volunteer" part winds up testing only the sober ones
> and those too bombed to understand what is going on as well as ones
> who don't know their rights.

> The "volunteer" part is obviously wrong also. Joe blow who has had
> a few too many "volunteers" - test finds him beyond the limit.
> Suuurrreee the tester is going to let him get back on the road. I
> also believe in the easter bunny.

> Bottom line: Any results they get are worthless due to that self
> selection bit.

They didn't want accurate data regarding BAC or anything else regarding
the driver's condition. If they were testing anything it was the
reaction of the people. Would they resist? Would they say no? That's
the data of interest.

On 2013-11-22, richard > wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 (PST), Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000
> Americans a Year wrote:
>
>> This was voluntary but i say make it mandatory. People are searched when they try to get on a plane or enter a govt building, a aren't they?. Drunk drivers are killers and i don't want them coddled.
>>
>> http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Nor...232438621.html
>>
>> Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013
>
> Wouldn't this be a violation of the 5th amendmnet?
> A cop has to have "reasonable cause" to assume you are under the influence.
> Cops can't just tell you to stop for any reason then demand you "volunteer"
> to take tests which could result in your arrest.
> Then they surely can't bust you because you refused to volunteer.

Convincing people to set aside their rights is a long standing way
governments operate. They are powerless if enough people tell them to
get stuffed. Their power is in the perception. Once a critical mass no
longer believes them whatever they are doing will fail.

Alternatively, there could be a critical mass of people who don't
believe the government but think they are a tiny minority. When they
realize they aren't the game is over. So sometimes it's just pure
social pressure where those who would resist don't want to be the only
person who does.