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2008 Honda Civic Ex Maintenance Schedule
On Feb 2, 10:54*pm, Avalon > wrote:
> > let's see - you've argued with not one, not two, but three people here. > > * statistically, what is the likely common denominator in this equation?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Hahaha, someone posted a response to this question that is worthy of > repeating, but I think he/she knows better about getting involved > since he/she deleted their post. Eh! What the heck, I'll say what his/her response was: Q: let's see - you've argued with not one, not two, but three people here. > > statistically, what is the likely common denominator in this equation? A: Three stupid people eating hay in a horse stable Hahahaha! |
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Polfus wrote:
> > "jim beam" > wrote > >> lets get this straight - you show up out of the blue, you ask badly >> constructed and poorly considered questions, then get all ****ed >> because the people you're asking really can't be bothered with your >> ****, but it's all their fault??? dude, knowing how to read the >> owners manual is the least of your problems. > > You are a gigantic pussy. > > Bottom line: your life sucks so bad you need this newsgroup to make > youself feel better. > > Reality: dude asked a question, and you flew in with your usual ****. > > If you were a human being, you would have helped. > > But you hate yourself, so you project it onto others instead by > insulting them. > > Its clear to everyone except those that are just like you, like your > little buddy Elmo, which obviously is your email partner in these postings. > > Tell me I'm wrong..that you haven't sent each other emails saying how > much you hate when people do this or that and how you both are gonna let > folks really have it when they **** you off. > > Tell me I'm wrong...that'll make you a liar also. > how old are you? |
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Your questions are perfectly well-communicated. Furthermore,
they are asked so often this ought to be an FAQ. I have read a fair amount on Honda's maintenance minder over the last several years. I have also read reports here on when it has signaled that the oil is due for a change. In my opinion, one can rely on it (of course; the engineers are not dummies) instead of many old customs such as change the oil every 5000 miles/6 months (or whatever one's preferred frequency is based on driving conditions). Of course few read the owner's manual cover to cover. Issues certainly arise that are not covered in the owner's manual and so need to be addressed either by Honda subsequently; word of mouth; etc. How the Maintenance Minder works is not covered in the manual. The first time I heard about this latest bell-whistle-gizmo, I was not trusting until I had at least a basic description of how the MM computer yada worked. As for the flack from a few parties he It represents the usual cowardice to troubleshoot the whole problem. The whole problem of course includes not only the car's ailment but also communicating effectively how to fix the car's ailment. How much brains does it take to communicate simple, literal principles? I actually think the usual shadetree mechanic or highly trained technician has more than enough brains to do so. Many "just" need to have it pointed out to them that the problem is two-fold and be asked to think in advance: What's going to get us to the practical solution quickest and with the greatest future return on my time's investment? Some are just troll-ish out of sport. Usenet and all. Post-back if you want some links on how the Maintenance Minder works. "Avalon1178" > wrote > Hi, I recently bought a new 2008 Honda Civic Sedan EX > after my older > model (2005) was totalled during a car accident. I'm > still getting > used to the new car but so far so good. One big big > change with the > new car is what appears to be the absence of a maintenance > schedule. > I'm used to going to the service at 5000 miles intervals > and following > the owner's manual as to when to service my car. Now with > all the new > features in the 2008 model like maintenance reminders etc, > and the > absence of a schedule maintenance in the owner's manual, > is there no > point to following your standard 5000 miles scheduled > maintenance to, > say, get your oil change etc or your typical > 10,000-interval mile > service to a shop (like tire rotation, brake fluid check, > etc)? |
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Polfus wrote:
> > "jim beam" > wrote > >> Polfus wrote: >>> >>> "jim beam" > wrote >>> >>>> lets get this straight - you show up out of the blue, you ask badly >>>> constructed and poorly considered questions, then get all ****ed >>>> because the people you're asking really can't be bothered with your >>>> ****, but it's all their fault??? dude, knowing how to read the >>>> owners manual is the least of your problems. >>> >>> You are a gigantic pussy. >>> >>> Bottom line: your life sucks so bad you need this newsgroup to make >>> youself feel better. >>> >>> Reality: dude asked a question, and you flew in with your usual ****. >>> >>> If you were a human being, you would have helped. >>> >>> But you hate yourself, so you project it onto others instead by >>> insulting them. >>> >>> Its clear to everyone except those that are just like you, like your >>> little buddy Elmo, which obviously is your email partner in these >>> postings. >>> >>> Tell me I'm wrong..that you haven't sent each other emails saying how >>> much you hate when people do this or that and how you both are gonna >>> let folks really have it when they **** you off. >>> >>> Tell me I'm wrong...that'll make you a liar also. >>> >> >> >> how old are you? > > > Looks like I'm not wrong, then. > > Polfus > your contributions are inane and childish. they lack any honda-related merit. and you get fixated on schoolyard snot-smearing. how old are you? |
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message ... > In article > >, > Avalon1178 > wrote: > >> > That's where your brain comes in. If that doesn't work, visit the >> > dealer, to >> > whom you gave many thousands of dollars, and ask how this new "system" >> > works. >> >> WTF? What's your problem? Are you the sorry son of a Honda dealer/ >> salesman that one little critique of the maintenance schedule got your >> little feathers all ruffled? > > You manufactured a circumstance that (a) wouldn't happen, or (b) is > easily rectified if it did happen by mistake--and used that as "this is > why I need a time/miles maintenance schedule!" > > Quit manufacturing things to be worried about. Sheesh. You're like an > old woman. > My Honda dealer routinely forgets to reset the maintenence reminder. |
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On Feb 3, 7:26*am, "Elle" > wrote:
> Your questions are perfectly well-communicated. Furthermore, > they are asked so often this ought to be an FAQ. > > I have read a fair amount on Honda's maintenance minder over > the last several years. I have also read reports here on > when it has signaled that the oil is due for a change. In my > opinion, one can rely on it (of course; the engineers are > not dummies) instead of many old customs such as change the > oil every 5000 miles/6 months (or whatever one's preferred > frequency is based on driving conditions). > Great. That's all I wanted to hear. If people were just to respond with the same courtesy and respect like you did, I don't think this thread would've gone this long. I personally like this schedule minder, but since this is the first time I've driven a vehicle with this feature, I think its just natural to ask how accurate this is and what other people think of it. But if from what you heard is that it is fairly accurate, then that's great. I also would like to hear how other people think of it from their experience. But as you can tell, I thought I asked a very basic question and I expected a fairly straightforward response. I have little tolerance to those who respond with no courtesy or respect, just so they can feel like they're superior or know more than others. > Of course few read the owner's manual cover to cover. Issues > certainly arise that are not covered in the owner's manual > and so need to be addressed either by Honda subsequently; > word of mouth; etc. > > How the Maintenance Minder works is not covered in the > manual. The first time I heard about this latest > bell-whistle-gizmo, I was not trusting until I had at least > a basic description of how the MM computer yada worked. > > As for the flack from a few parties he It represents the > usual cowardice to troubleshoot the whole problem. The whole > problem of course includes not only the car's ailment but > also communicating effectively how to fix the car's ailment. > How much brains does it take to communicate simple, literal > principles? I actually think the usual shadetree mechanic or > highly trained technician has more than enough brains to do > so. Many "just" need to have it pointed out to them that the > problem is two-fold and be asked to think in advance: What's > going to get us to the practical solution quickest and with > the greatest future return on my time's investment? > > Some are just troll-ish out of sport. Usenet and all. > > Post-back if you want some links on how the Maintenance > Minder works. > Actually, that would be great if you don't mind sending some links about this Maintenance Minder. Do you know if this is unique to the new Honda models only or do most cars have this technology now? As I mentioned, before my new car I drove a 2005 Honda Civic. My dealer tells me with my old car that to keep it in good condition, to always do scheduled maintenance of every 10,000 miles (minor service, in addition to oil change at every 5000...then I think major service every 30,000). With the new maintenance minder, do you think this concept still applies? |
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"Avalon" > wrote in message
... On Feb 3, 7:26 am, "Elle" > wrote: > Actually, that would be great if you don't mind sending some links > about this Maintenance Minder. Do you know if this is unique to the > new Honda models only or do most cars have this technology now? It's become fairly common. I can say that BMW and Chevy have been doing it for a number of years. > As I mentioned, before my new car I drove a 2005 Honda Civic. My > dealer tells me with my old car that to keep it in good condition, to > always do scheduled maintenance of every 10,000 miles (minor service, > in addition to oil change at every 5000...then I think major service > every 30,000). With the new maintenance minder, do you think this > concept still applies? That concept still applies, for adding income to the dealership. Did your previous owners manual jive with that? |
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"Avalon" > wrote
> that would be great if you don't mind sending > some links about this Maintenance Minder. I think the most detailed and most reputable description of the MM on the net is at http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/YourHonda/HondaService . On the left highlight "Honda Service," click on "Maintenance Calculator," choose year and model, then click on "Complete Maintenance Schedule." The following appears the "The maintenance requirements for your [Honda vehicle] are determined by an internal algorithm, which considers the engine starting temperature, driving distance and engine RPM. The onboard computer also judges your driving conditions and habits, and then calculates the remaining engine oil life, displaying it as a percentage." More links follow. > Do you know if this is unique to the new Honda > models only or do most cars have this technology now? From general reading, I doubt it is a majority of new vehicles that have this right now. I do see internet discussions on the Chevy Ventura supporting what Seth posted. This Chevy's MM seems similar to the newer Hondas'. I googled {"maintenance minder" Chevy} to find this. Pardon if I am stating the obvious, but often the internet is worth googling first. Admittedly, though, sometimes information is so arcane that a much more intensive search is needed. That description above is not all over the internet, for one. I do not remember how I found it a few years ago, but it is not in the top ten hits using a few keywords, for example. A lot of folks have raised concerns about the MM like those posted in this thread. The ones that come up a lot on the net, and the best responses I see to them, follow. 1. Does the MM account for severe duty (especially with regard to oil life)? For this, many anecdotal reports on the web reference a Honda Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) from 2005 on this. It is titled "Taking the Mystery Out of the Maintenance Minder System," TSB #09012005, NHTSA #10018482. It is reproduced at forums like: http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=583156. It says, "The system counts down oil life based on engine operating conditions (both normal and severe). If the engine runs at higher temperatures and rpm, or at low temperatures during short trips, the oil life will deplete faster than an engine running under more normal conditions." The description at the Canada site at the top seems to back this up. Also, here is a post where someone reports that he tested the oil quality and compared it to the MM's recommendations for changing the oil: "[The Maintenance Minder] is pretty accurate as I have done used oil analysis and the life expectancy shown on the reports coincides with what our oil life monitor tells us." See http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/f...ad.php?t=15095 2. Does the MM take driving in dusty conditions into account? What about driving for a long time while not meeting the MM's criteria for all the operating conditions listed at the Canada site above? The MM does not take account of dusty air filters or any other system vulnerable to dust. Nor does it factor in the actual time in days, months, or years that, say, oil or whatever fluid is in the car. This is covered in the owner's manual in the MM sections. The owner must monitor time (in days, months, or years) on his/her own. As Polfus noted, the rule is 'Change the oil per the MM or once a year, whichever comes first,' is the actual rule. Engine oil evidently is not all that vulnerable to dust from dusty roads. I do buy this at present. Some common sense is still appropriate. E.g. if someone adds a cup of dirt via the engine oil fill hole, then I recommend an oil change. 3. Does the MM distinguish between the use of synthetic oil and non-synth. oil? No, but then Honda has always specified the same intervals regardless of which type of oil one uses. 4. How do I know the MM was reset after a dealer (or anyone) does an oil change? If the MM does not read "Oil Life 100%" right after you pull out of the shop, then the shop failed to reset it. The Owner's Manual has instructions for resetting in its maintenance minder section. Should take just a few minutes to get through the instructions and reset the MM. I gather this resetting of the MM is possible for any system the MM monitors. 5. A good "official Honda" site that gives what the codes mean and also exactly what systems the MM minds: http://www.imakenews.com/londonhonda....cfm?x=b11,0,w Mostly this is just an excerpt from an owner's manual. > My dealer tells me with my old car that > to keep it in good condition, to always do > scheduled maintenance of every 10,000 miles > (minor service, in addition to oil change > at every 5000...then I think major service > every 30,000). With the new maintenance > minder, do you think this concept still applies? This concept does not apply to either older cars without an MM or new ones with an MM. As others have noted, dealers are not a part of Honda corporation. Dealer service centers are in the business of selling services and new parts, often whether your car needs them or not. For maintenance, follow the owner's manual and MM. If any shop tells you to do something otherwise, you can post here or at other Honda fora and get opinions. Generally the best decision will come out of such discussions, based on much real life experience and dissection by the ultimate marketplace of ideas, the net. |
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"Polfus" <nostringscouldsecureyou@thestation> wrote
> Then why can all that be screwed up if one forgets to > reset the Maintenance Minder? > If you rest it early, then Honda admits that the schedule > will be off. Correct. The Maintenance Minder does not completely absolve the owner of responsibility when it comes to maintenance. > And the manual says quite clearly, "If the message > "Service" does not appear more than 12 months after the > display is reset, change the engine oil every year." > > What if I then drive 35,000 miles in one year? > > What then, smart-ass...don't change the oil because the > Maintenance Minder computer says no need? The MM computer does take into account distance driven. Can the computer fail? Yes, but so can a lot of other parts. The owner has to stay alert to trouble codes and symptoms. My sense is the MM may very well save the owner money by reducing unnecessary oil and other part and fluid changes. See post to Avalon for some elaboration. These all are often-raised concerns at other internet fora. Like all new technology, it's going to take a while for the MM to be accepted. Or it may be rejected. I'd say the jury's out. If forced to bet, I'd bet the MM is useful for at least oil changes, with the caveat that I'd like more input on why there is no distinction made between synthetic and non-synthetic oil, per both Honda's old maintenance schedules and the new MM. |
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