Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell cars now)

"Les Benn" > wrote in message
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>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Jul 31, 1:42 pm, Spike > wrote:
>>
>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning
>>> Congress in
>>> control!
>>
>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...
>>
>> Patrick
>
> Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us
> the bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not
> get discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their
> convention, since city gas has no taxes on it.
>
> what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by jet
> and limo

Sure, blame a political party, as if the entire party was unified in its
hyperenvironmentalism. Way to think in two-dimensional terms.

Anybody else hear about Nissan's plans to use a push-back accelerator pedal
to curb drivers who feel frisky? It's another way to increase fuel mileage,
by disallowing brisk acceleration.

What good is a car with 300hp, if you can't use 'em?

dwight

wrote:
> On Aug 4, 10:39 pm, "WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote:
>
>>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning
>>>> Congress in control!
>
>>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...
>
>> You've got it.
>
> Whew... thank you!
>
> We went so far right we went right into a ditch. I say it's time we
> yank it left to get us back on the road. Then if/when we go into the
> ditch on the left side we can pull it back to the right again.
>
>> You'll either have a left leaning "Republican"
>
> I think McCain is good guy and one that can work both sides of the
> isle... something we desperately need.
>
>> or a left leaning "Muslim."
>
> Religion doesn't determine a person's character. (And, not that it
> matters, but you know he's Catholic, right?)

I know he was raised in a Muslim school, his family is Muslim and/or
atheist and I know he attended a Christian church where he never heard a
*thing* the pastor said.... Long drawn out nasty story. And though you
are generally correct about character I'll just leave it at I disapprove
of him for a number of reasons.


>
> Obama is another good guy, and I think he has the potential to be a
> great president. That is as long as some Neanderthal doesn't
> assassinate him first...
>

Except that oil prices and taxes will likely go so high that normal
people will not be able to afford to live. At least McCain has not
admitted to wanting to raise taxes *that I've heard*, and he talks about
tangible things to do. Obama talks about nothing but change. When you
ask what change he says change for the GOOD! Well hell, how can you
argue with that?


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From what I've seen you doing in nana.sightings this
month, I really must question your conclusions. Of
the roughly 4079 reports you posted to nana.sightings,
my favorite will remain your LART of the mail you
received from Cron, running on your own computer. - David Ritz

wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2:16 pm, "Les Benn" > wrote:
>
>>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning
>>>> Congress in
>>>> control!
>
>>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...
>
>> Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us the
>> bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not get
>> discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their convention,
>> since city gas has no taxes on it.
>
>> what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by jet
>> and limo
>
> Sounds like the "reporting"/opinion of the FauxOX, spin zone,
> propaganda news channel.
>
> Patrick


Come on Patrick, you can't truly think Fox is making false reports
or is genuinely biased? And compared to some other agencies?? I mean
Rather was blatantly caught in a great big fat lie. You're starting to
sound like that whack-o troll with the 72 Mustang that used to drop in
on occasion.

--



From what I've seen you doing in nana.sightings this
month, I really must question your conclusions. Of
the roughly 4079 reports you posted to nana.sightings,
my favorite will remain your LART of the mail you
received from Cron, running on your own computer. - David Ritz

> wrote in message
...
> On Jul 31, 9:57 pm, Spike > wrote:
>
>> As for Muscle Cars..... Ford will be keeping an eye on Chevrolet with
>> the 2010 planned release of the Camaro. You can bet that their sales
>> staff will be crunching numbers.
>
> I think the Mustang is safe. GM says the Camaro will be more
> expensive than the Mustang. And the Camaro will weigh about 200-300
> lbs more.
>
> Patrick

Totally. 3,900 lbs? Thank gawd its got 400 horse - it's gonna need them.
The interior is, again, the ugliest thing I've seen since the last Camaro.
And the price? IRS does that to a car.

It'll get massive hype and go no where.

Brad

Brad and Karen wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Jul 31, 9:57 pm, Spike > wrote:
>>
>>> As for Muscle Cars..... Ford will be keeping an eye on Chevrolet
>>> with the 2010 planned release of the Camaro. You can bet that
>>> their sales staff will be crunching numbers.
>>
>> I think the Mustang is safe. GM says the Camaro will be more
>> expensive than the Mustang. And the Camaro will weigh about
>> 200-300 lbs more.
>>
>> Patrick
>
> Totally. 3,900 lbs? Thank gawd its got 400 horse - it's gonna need
> them. The interior is, again, the ugliest thing I've seen since the
> last Camaro. And the price? IRS does that to a car.
>
> It'll get massive hype and go no where.
>
> Brad

There's a current thread on allfordmustangs.com S197 2005+ Talk forum
that includes several GT owners who are saying their "equipped" cars
are coming in at 3800 or more. 3400 pounds "Curb weight" from specs
lists notwithstanding. Seems as if everything that's a mod, worthwhile
or not, boosts that already-too-heavy beauty's bottom line.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ed-3840-a.html

You gotta expect the Camaro will get that body-weight increment too,
as it rolls down the road to immortality.

--
Frank ess

"WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 2:16 pm, "Les Benn" > wrote:
>>
>>>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left
>>>>> leaning
>>>>> Congress in
>>>>> control!
>>
>>>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...
>>
>>> Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us
>>> the
>>> bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not get
>>> discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their convention,
>>> since city gas has no taxes on it.
>>
>>> what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by
>>> jet
>>> and limo
>>
>> Sounds like the "reporting"/opinion of the FauxOX, spin zone,
>> propaganda news channel.
>>
>> Patrick
>
>
> Come on Patrick, you can't truly think Fox is making false reports or
> is genuinely biased? And compared to some other agencies?? I mean Rather
> was blatantly caught in a great big fat lie. You're starting to sound like
> that whack-o troll with the 72 Mustang that used to drop in on occasion.

Absolutely, without question, Fox is a biased "news" source. It's important
to gather news from a variety of venues - keep those channels flipping, and
then for the real story, turn to Jon Stewart.

dwight

On Aug 5, 9:21 pm, "WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote:

> >>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning
> >>>> Congress in control!

> >>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...

> >> You've got it.

> > Whew... thank you!

> > We went so far right we went right into a ditch. I say it's time we
> > yank it left to get us back on the road. Then if/when we go into the
> > ditch on the left side we can pull it back to the right again.

> >> You'll either have a left leaning "Republican"

> > I think McCain is good guy and one that can work both sides of the
> > isle... something we desperately need.

> >> or a left leaning "Muslim."

> > Religion doesn't determine a person's character. (And, not that it
> > matters, but you know he's Catholic, right?)

> I know he was raised in a Muslim school,

I knows these days, in this country, the constant media drumbeat is:

Muslim = Terrorist

And it's B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T!

I've lived in a 98% Muslim country, twice, for a total of almost three
years, and my experience is that they are some of the most friendly,
caring, warm-hearted and family-oriented people I've ever met. I'll
go further and say I wish our society here in American was even half
as good. And I'll finish this by saying I could/can ramble on for
hours (please ask me to) telling stories about how well my family and
I were treated by the "terrible Muslims".

> his family is Muslim and/or
> atheist

"and/or"? Wow.

FYI -- they believe in a supreme being.

> and I know he attended a Christian church where he never heard a
> *thing* the pastor said.... Long drawn out nasty story.

How would you know what he heard? And of that what he agreed or
disagreed with?

> And though you are generally correct about character I'll just leave it at I
> disapprove of him for a number of reasons.

Fine. But realize he is one of our/America's brightest (he graduated
from Harvard with top honors), and could have picked any law firm he
wanted to work for (cha ching!!), yet, instead he went into public
service.

And McCain is an outstanding American too. (Though the Bush campaign
team destroyed his character/war record back in 2000, like they later
did to Kerry in 2004. Sad.)

> > Obama is another good guy, and I think he has the potential to be a
> > great president. That is as long as some Neanderthal doesn't
> > assassinate him first...

> Except that oil prices and taxes will likely go so high

Oil prices -- like double or triple in price? What was the price of
gas again around the year 2000? And what is it now?

> that normal
> people will not be able to afford to live.

Seems anymore the Republicans spend the money (always leave with huge
deficits) and the Democrats end up having to pay for it (balance the
budget). Who's the "conservative" party, again?

> At least McCain has not
> admitted to wanting to raise taxes *that I've heard*, and he talks about
> tangible things to do.

Campaign promises. Even if you 'read their lips', I wouldn't bank on
them.

> Obama talks about nothing but change. When you
> ask what change he says change for the GOOD! Well hell, how can you
> argue with that?

The fact of the matter is neither guy really knows what they can or
can't do until they sit in the oval office.

Patrick

On Aug 5, 9:24 pm, "WindsorFox<SS>" > wrote:

> >>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left leaning
> >>>> Congress in
> >>>> control!

> >>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...

> >> Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us the
> >> bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not get
> >> discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their convention,
> >> since city gas has no taxes on it.

> >> what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by jet
> >> and limo

> > Sounds like the "reporting"/opinion of the FauxOX, spin zone,
> > propaganda news channel.

> Come on Patrick, you can't truly think Fox is making false reports
> or is genuinely biased?

I'll be nice and just say that their bias is so obvious it's
comedic.

> And compared to some other agencies??

What FauxOX has done is become -- the ditch/low ground on the right
side of the road -- the complete flip opposite of the extremists on
the left.

> I mean
> Rather was blatantly caught in a great big fat lie. You're starting to
> sound like that whack-o troll with the 72 Mustang that used to drop in
> on occasion.

Nope. I'm just being me. I think if you go back and read anything
I've written in here for the last... 10-12 years... you'll see that
I've always been a liberal thinker with conservative values.

Patrick

On Aug 6, 12:31 am, "Brad and Karen" > wrote:

> >> As for Muscle Cars..... Ford will be keeping an eye on Chevrolet with
> >> the 2010 planned release of the Camaro. You can bet that their sales
> >> staff will be crunching numbers.
>
> > I think the Mustang is safe. GM says the Camaro will be more
> > expensive than the Mustang. And the Camaro will weigh about 200-300
> > lbs more.

> Totally.

Yes. It won't be a lightweight.

> 3,900 lbs?

Around 3,800.

> Thank gawd its got 400 horse - it's gonna need them.
> The interior is, again, the ugliest thing I've seen since the last Camaro.
> And the price? IRS does that to a car.

> It'll get massive hype and go no where.

I hope it does well. But I think its timing is bad.

Why oh why didn't we have this car, and the Challenger, about 10 years
ago?!

Patrick

On Aug 6, 6:22 am, "dwight" > wrote:

> >>>>> God help the USA if we have a left leaning President and a left
> >>>>> leaning
> >>>>> Congress in
> >>>>> control!
>
> >>>> After the last 7+ painful years, I say bring it...
>
> >>> Yep while they fly overhead in the Lear and Cessna Citations and flip us
> >>> the
> >>> bird. I assume you heard the dems was all upset that they could not get
> >>> discounted gas by draining the city gas in Chicago for their convention,
> >>> since city gas has no taxes on it.
>
> >>> what the dems want is us in horses and buggies so they can commute by
> >>> jet
> >>> and limo
>
> >> Sounds like the "reporting"/opinion of the FauxOX, spin zone,
> >> propaganda news channel.

> > Come on Patrick, you can't truly think Fox is making false reports or
> > is genuinely biased? And compared to some other agencies?? I mean Rather
> > was blatantly caught in a great big fat lie. You're starting to sound like
> > that whack-o troll with the 72 Mustang that used to drop in on occasion.
>
> Absolutely, without question, Fox is a biased "news" source. It's important
> to gather news from a variety of venues - keep those channels flipping, and
> then for the real story, turn to Jon Stewart.

You know it's telling -- just how how crappy the "news" has become --
when two guys (Stewart and Colbert) can make an easy/endless living by
chastising the media.

Patrick
(The best news is on Comedy Central.)