"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong

On Feb 2, 4:37 pm, (Brent P) wrote:

> The belief in human caused global warming is being used to gain more control
> over the population, to consolidate wealth, to end any sort of freedom of the
> masses, and put the whole world in the control of a small group of
> elites.

I thought that was the job of Globalization.

>
> I will believe that human caused global warming is a serious issue when
> and only when, nations like China are forced to do something about it.
> Right now, things like the Kyoto treaty are designed simply to relocate
> manufacturing from places where there _ARE_ environmental protections to
> places where there are practically _NONE_. They expect us to believe that
> CO2 released in Ohio is bad, but CO2 released in Tianjin is of no
> concern. Not to mention all the pollution controls that are required in
> Ohio, the limits, the regulations, all to keep the environment cleaner
> but simply don't exist in other places in the world like China.

It's not Kyoto, but America that is feeding China. Go to Walmart or
the Dollar Store if you don't believe me.

On Feb 2, 5:12 pm, Bill Baka > wrote:

> BTW, I don't drink or use drugs, except for chocolate.

Chocolate is a fancy drug used by liberals given to European socialist
ideas of biking and small cars. Real Americans eat something like
Freedom Fries --and drive SUVs.

Wayne Pein wrote:
> Further, bus public transit is heavy and destroys the pavement,
> something that is very important to bicyclists. And when the bus pulls
> over to the curb, there is conflict with bicyclists.
>
> Frankly, public transportation and bicycling have nothing in common.
> Bicycling has much more in common with automobile travel.
>
> http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...atistics/2004/
> html/table_04_20.html
>
> http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...t_fotw221.html

No way. Buses with racks go a long way for bicyclists who just use the
bikes for shorter distances. They are complementary...

Why Add Bike Racks to Public Transit Buses?

Encourages Multimodal Trips:
The federal government, originally through ISTEA, (Intermodal Surface
Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991), "encourages states and
metropolitan areas to develop innovative transportation plans and
programs which better integrate public transit, bicycle facilities,
and other modes of travel into the existing transportation system. The
goal of this multimodal planning is to provide travelers with a real
choice of travel options." (Federal Transit Administration, Bicycles
and Transit, A Partnership that Works, 1999). Adding bike racks on
buses does exactly that: provides people with real transportation
options by allowing a bicycle trip to be incorporated with a public
transit one. Through this incorporation, the bicycle and the public
transit vehicle create endless opportunities for a person with a bike
and bus fare!

Contributes to Cleaner Air and More Livable Communities:
"In many areas, increased investment in transit and bicycle facilities
can help meet goals for cleaner, healthier air; less congested
roadways and more livable communities. Used individually, bicycling
and transit provide low-cost mobility and place fewer demands on local
roads and highways to carry everyday trips. Used in combination,
bicycles and public transportation provide millions of Americans with
enhanced access to work, shopping, services and family and
friends." (Federal Transit Administration, Bicycles and Transit, A
Partnership that Works, 1999). The bike - bus combination not only
provides more mobility options to everyone, but also fewer automobiles
on the street mean quieter and safer neighborhoods.

Expands Ridership:
"Studies show that people are most likely to use public transit when
it's within a quarter mile walking distance or when it's within a
three mile biking distance. Making it easier for bike riders to take
their vehicles along on public transit opens up a 12 times larger
drawing zone for riders." (Passenger Transport, November 16, 1992.)
Not to mention, bicyclists often fill a gap in the weekend or off-peak
market, when transit ridership is typically lower.

Improves Bicycle Access:
Many commuters and recreational bicycle riders are constrained by
bridges, tunnels, dramatic hills and unsafe city streets. Adding a bus
bicycle rack into the public transit equation creates more options to
overcome geographical barriers, thus creating more opportunities for a
cyclist to ride and use the bus. Rail stations, businesses and
communities overall are continuing to get more bicycle friendly, and
it makes good proactive sense to extrapolate this out into the public
transit realm.

Promotes Good Public Relations:
Adding bicycle racks onto buses is one of the only value-added
services a public transit authority can provide to its riders. These
high profile programs market themselves. The community views bikes
being carried on the front of buses, and not only gets a direct
message about new transit options, but also gets a positive
environmental image of the public service. Statistics show that
cyclists have both outspoken advocate voices and are consistent
voters! Not bad, considering that the product is less expensive than a
bus tire!

Working Partnership:
As federal transportation spending now incorporates bicycles, a new
trend is growing and ultimately embracing a new partnership - one
between bicycles and public transportation. The importance of
strengthening the connections between bicycling and public transit is,
as Federal Transit Administrator, Gordon J. Linton, says, "a win-win
proposition". This partnership addresses our concern about traffic
congestion, air quality, and limited resources. The federal
transportation bill requires that this partnership be addressed at the
planning level, where multimodal concerns must be taken into
consideration. This is resulting in a viable partnership between the
bicycling community and public transit authority. Further, grant
monies under the federal transportation bill are widely available for
bike-on-bus projects, including up to a 95% match under the Transit
Enhancements Program.

On Feb 2, 6:15 pm, "Rod Speed" > wrote:

> > Those are just a pre-cursor to what CAN happen.
>
> Nothing will be taking out most of humanity, you watch.

Nothing will happens, so is the prediction of the "Church of the
Flying Spaghetti Monster." I quote them here, where the clearly state
there's nothing to fear...

"I have attached a picture of pirate weatherman reporting a rather low
temperature, which is even more evidence that pirates reduce global
warming."

http://www.venganza.org/

See, it seems this Spaghetti Monster (report back to me if you figure
it out) will help us clean all the filth and puke put out by our shiny
SUVs. What a neat solution, ain't it?

> > BTW, I don't drink or use drugs, except for chocolate.
>
> Thats the drug you're crazed by, stupid.

I told you it would make you suspicious before the Freedom Fries
crowd.

On Feb 2, 7:57 pm, Mark Hickey > wrote:

> >>You said it best. There's one hope though: THE REVOLUTION (coming
> >>soon)...
>
> > Stick it.
>
> I'm thinking all we gotta do is to convince everyone who's sure that
> we're all doomed anyway to "check out early" - get it over with, why
> wait for us all to be drowned in 10 years when the sea level jumps up
> 10,000 feet. That'll cut down on the needs for a lot of resources,
> and will reduce the release of hot air considerably. ;-)

That's not all that hard to do. All you got to do is connect Global
Warming with Armageddon, and that so is the will of God. Actually, I
think they are already working hard to make Global Warming happen with
all those SUVs with God's bumper stickers.

So the connection is that the same Christian fundamentalists are
causing Armageddon!

Can Humanity Survive? Want to Bet on It?
Sixty ago years, a group of physicists concerned about nuclear weapons
created the Doomsday Clock and set its hands at seven minutes to
midnight. Now, the clock's keepers, alarmed by new dangers like
climate change, have moved the hands up to 11:55 p.m.

http://www.armageddononline.org/ind...t_from=&ucat=1&

SEE POLL TAKING PLACE AT PRAVDA...

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread...69#post2172469

donquijote1954 wrote:

> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>>Further, bus public transit is heavy and destroys the pavement,
>>something that is very important to bicyclists. And when the bus pulls
>>over to the curb, there is conflict with bicyclists.
>>
>>Frankly, public transportation and bicycling have nothing in common.
>>Bicycling has much more in common with automobile travel.
>>
>>http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...atistics/2004/
>>html/table_04_20.html
>>
>>http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...t_fotw221.html
>
>
> No way. Buses with racks go a long way for bicyclists who just use the
> bikes for shorter distances. They are complementary...

So, the 2 bicyclists that use the bus are still chauffered energy
users/polluters for their bus leg.

Wayne

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
donquijote1954 >
desperately attempted to bull**** its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one, as always.

On Feb 3, 1:52 pm, "Rod Speed" > wrote:
> Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
> donquijote1954 >
> desperately attempted to bull**** its way out of its
> predicament and fooled absolutely no one, as always.

You eat a lot of "Freedom Fries" I gather. You may also try this...

1: Proudly display your flag. 2: If you don't own a flag, buy ten. 3:
If you do own a flag but haven't displayed it for some time for fear
of incurring the wrath of your hippie neighbor, have it dry-cleaned
and pressed at a non-Chinese shop. 4: Count the flag's stars, and
imagine how much more symmetrical it'd be without Massachusetts'. 5:
While justifiably admiring your flag, if it touches the ground burn it
immediately, and replace it with a bigger one. 6: Replace that
Canadian flag patch sewn onto your backpack with a superior American
one, then go sight-seeing in Paris. 7: Paint your bedroom ceiling with
an image of Old Glory, so that your dreams may be filled with more
virtuous thoughts. 8: Stock your linen closet with Ralph Lauren "flag
towels"...the better to wrap yourself in! 9: Salute every flag you pass,
and if feasible, kiss it (closed mouth, you devil!) 10: Impress your
guests with stars-and-stripes coasters, but only use if your serving
domestic beer or wine. 11: Have you heard that "Uncle Sam" hats are
this year's black? 12: Sing "the Star-Spangled Banner" in the shower.
13: Make it your cell phone's ring tone. 14: And your door bell chime!
15: Consider naming you born-on-the-fourth-of-July newborn "Francis
Scott Key," because no one would ever mess with a kid named Francis.
16: Or George Walker! 17: Or, even better, Rex!
18: Make Spurious George your home page. 19: If Blogger's down, make
TBR your home page (but only on Saturdays!) 20: Stop getting your
"news" from the net (except, of course, from Spurious George.) 21:
Ignore the mainstream media. 22: Burn Dan Rather in effigy. 23: Build
a backyard shrine to Ann Coulter. 24: And a smaller one for Sean
Hannity. 25: Maybe say a small payer for Armstrong Williams. 26: Start
watching Fox News. 27: Be more fair and balanced...like Fox News! 28:
Stop paying attention. 29: Obey. 30: Stop making Viagra jokes about
Rush. 31: Purchase an "AM Only" radio. 32: Throw away your Dixie
Chicks CDs. 33: Better yet, burn them. Even better, throw your burning
CDs at the Dixie Chicks. 34: Especially that uppity bitch Natalie
Maines. 35: Put "The Best of Lee Greenwood" on an endless loop. 36: At
least until "The Best of Rex Kramer" goes on sale. 37: Check for it
daily at you local Christian book store. 38: Or Wal-Mart. 39: Happily
hand over that $24.99.

more and check the chicks on the supersized SUV...
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...Den%26 sa%3DG

donquijote1954 wrote:

> A typical 25 watt fluorescent light
> bulb, which replaces a 100 watt incandescent bulb, will last 8 hours
> on 200 watts worth of power. LEDs (light emitting diodes) are even
> more efficient and will last days on 200 watts worth of power."

No, LEDs are *not* more efficient.

Nor will most humans be able to generate a continuous 200W. That's 1/4 horse power FFS !

If that's their sales spiel then I don't think much of them.

Graham

Wayne Pein wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
>
>> Wayne Pein wrote:
>>
>>> Further, bus public transit is heavy and destroys the pavement,
>>> something that is very important to bicyclists. And when the bus pulls
>>> over to the curb, there is conflict with bicyclists.
>>>
>>> Frankly, public transportation and bicycling have nothing in common.
>>> Bicycling has much more in common with automobile travel.
>>>
>>> http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...atistics/2004/
>>> html/table_04_20.html
>>>
>>> http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...t_fotw221.html
>>>
>>
>>
>> No way. Buses with racks go a long way for bicyclists who just use the
>> bikes for shorter distances. They are complementary...
>
> So, the 2 bicyclists that use the bus are still chauffered energy
> users/polluters for their bus leg.
>
> Wayne
>
No way. The buses are going to run either way, full or empty. The use of
a bus makes perfect sense when you consider that you can take one past
the most dangerous part of town and drop you at a safer location. Nobody
should be so into the bike that they willfully put their life in the
hands of motorist who could care less.
It's called 'Survival instinct'.
It's also nice to fall back when the weather opens up and wants to dump
on anyone caught in the open.
Bill Baka