How to **** Off an Arrogant Pedalcyclist

(Brent P) wrote in
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> In article >, Jim Yanik
> wrote:
>
>>> Yes I admit that taxation is often not logical.
>>
>> That is not what you wrote.Your words;"It's a tax." referrring to
>> license plate "renewals".
>
> So are speeding tickets for the most part. So is social security.
>
>> Your registration does not wear out,fade away,or change over time,so
>> the only reason for "renewal" is a *user fee*,no other reason.
>
> I have to pay all sorts of taxes annually. that doesn't make them user
> fees.

But the license "renewal fee" IS a user fee,it gives you license to USE the
roads;no pay,no use.

>
>> It may be small,but applied to millions of autos per state,it adds up
>> to a nice piece of change.
>
> certainly not enough to cover unlimited usage.

So what? why does it HAVE to "cover" unlimited usage?

> Unlimited cellphone
> packages cost many, many times more.
>
>>>> Much of what gov't does does not make sense.
>>>
>>> BINGO. hence it's not a user fee just because it has to be paid
>>> every years.
>>
>> Sure it is a user fee;the "renewal" sticker is your tax stamp,just
>> like on cigarette packs.
>
> And cig taxes aren't user taxes for anything.

But I have not claimed that cig taxes are user fees.
I merely said that the sticker on the packs is a tax stamp.
>
>
>>>> Check your eyesight and have a new picture taken.
>>>> Licenses do wear out,or need updating.(Not so for your lic.plate.)
>>>> Maybe get you to pay any outstanding parking tickets,too.
>>>
>>> I've seen beaten up and worn license plates.
>>
>> Sure,due to bumping into things,and here in the South,even fading.
>> But not common enough to necessitate "renewal" EVERY YEAR.
>
> Oh well,,, back in the day they were replaced every year... go
> figure.
>
>> Florida sends me a new plate with a new number every 5 years,IIRC.
>> One nice thing is that if your FL.plate gets damaged in a collision
>> or stolen,you can get a new plate FREE.You need a police report
>> reference number,though.Oh,and the yearly FL plate "renewal" fees go
>> to the county TAX COLLECTOR.
>
> Not in IL. IL charges for new plates.
>
>
>>>>> Are you going to say that's a 'user fee' too?
>>>
>>>> In a way,yes.You are licensed -to use- a motor vehicle even if it
>>>> is not registered to you,like a rental,or another person's licensed
>>>> auto. Note that you need no driver's license if you operate
>>>> off-road,on private property.Same for lic.plates and registration.
>>>
>>> If government could figure out a way to tax it and control it on
>>> private property, they would.
>>
>> No,because it doesn't affect anyone in the public venue.
>
> That's why they can't. Remove that limitation on government and they
> damn well will tax it.
>
>>> You are simply pointing out a
>>> constitutional issue, and confusing it with paying-for-roads.
>
>> No,you simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious.
>
> The obvious is your being picky with tax labels for bicycling and not
> being so with autos.

You appear to tbe the "picky" one about labels.
I'm flexible enough to understand what is actually a user fee and what's
not.And honest enough about it.
>
>> License plate fees ARE a "user fee";for the *license to USE* the
>> vehicle on public roads.(state permission)
>
> Not that I have seen in the law.

You just refuse to see.(actually refuse to admit,I know you understand)
>
>> I suspect that if this were not part of the argument about licensing
>> bicycles for road use,you'd have admitted it to be a user fee long
>> ago.
>
> It's not a user fee in IL. I've had a car ticketed that was parked on
> private property for expired registration. It never left the property.

Due to LOCAL laws about junk or abandoned cars that are not garaged,but
left outside.Nothing to do with *using* it on your property.
Same thing happened to me with my first car that I built from two
junkers.(in NY)
I was still able to drive it around the yard legally.

> Bogus ticket, because the law doesn't require it, but the cops
> certainly don't share your interpetation of it as just a 'user fee'.




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