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  #11  
Old June 16th 05, 05:28 PM
Larry J.
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Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor
> said:

> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the
> world?


Because you double the price with import taxes. Yurop has never
played fair with auto imports from the US.

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Old June 16th 05, 07:07 PM
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:28:32 GMT, "Larry J."
> wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor
> said:
>
>> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the
>> world?

>
>Because you double the price with import taxes.


Import duty is 10%

>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US.


Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your
fedralisation rules.


  #13  
Old June 16th 05, 07:24 PM
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"the guvnor" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:28:32 GMT, "Larry J."
> > wrote:
>
>>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor
> said:
>>
>>> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the
>>> world?

>>
>>Because you double the price with import taxes.

>
> Import duty is 10%
>
>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US.

>
> Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your
> fedralisation rules.
>


Improve your friggin' build quality on cars other than the Rolls, and
Americans might well buy your cars - IF you build them to world standards of
crash worthiness. I loved Rover, but Rovers - other than the old Land
Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were
expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found.

I don't think you realize just how large this country is. All the countries
of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon.




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Old June 16th 05, 08:09 PM
the guvnor
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:24:31 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" >
wrote:

>>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US.

>>
>> Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your
>> fedralisation rules.
>>

>
>Improve your friggin' build quality on cars other than the Rolls, and
>Americans might well buy your cars - IF you build them to world standards of
>crash worthiness. I loved Rover, but Rovers - other than the old Land
>Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were
>expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found.


An American crying about car build quality???

>I don't think you realize just how large this country is.


Smaller than Russia, Canada and China.

Note how you never hear people from those larger countries banging on
about how big they are...

>All the countries of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon.


So what?
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Old June 16th 05, 10:34 PM
Joel Jacobs
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"the guvnor" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:24:31 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" >
> wrote:
>
>>>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US.
>>>
>>> Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your
>>> fedralisation rules.
>>>

>>
>>Improve your friggin' build quality on cars other than the Rolls, and
>>Americans might well buy your cars - IF you build them to world standards
>>of
>>crash worthiness. I loved Rover, but Rovers - other than the old Land
>>Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were
>>expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found.

>
> An American crying about car build quality???
>
>>I don't think you realize just how large this country is.

>
> Smaller than Russia, Canada and China.
>
> Note how you never hear people from those larger countries banging on
> about how big they are...
>
>>All the countries of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon.

>
> So what?


I actually thought we might make some headway. As I said earlier, I'm one
of the guys that LIKES you guys.

I don't know your age, so it may well be that you don't remember how horrid
the build quality of British motorcars was back in the 1960s and 1970s.
Unfortunately the people my age do remember how bad those cars were - the
same was true of French and most Italian cars - and as such people have
shunned, in many ways, the purchase of European cars other than the German
cars which held up to long-distance driving - and cars that went fast. And
back in those days few Americans could actually afford a Jag and certainly
could not afford a machine such as an Aston Martin.

Most of the small underpowered cars that were shipped over here by most
European builders were ill-suited to American use. It's not uncommon for an
American to climb into an automobile and take a multi-thousand mile trip -
THAT's why I mention the size of the United States vs. the United Kingdom.

I bought another Corvette 3 years ago. I purchased it in California - I live
in Texas - flew out, got the car and drove it home via Colorado - that's
more than 2,400 miles. I put new shocks on it, repaired the radio antenna
(the car was used) and promptly took a 7,000 mile trip around the United
States. American cars do this easily. They're large enough for comfort.
Economical enough to warrant a trip such as that, and manage the trip with
aplomb.

In July I'm leaving the Dallas area driving to visit friends in Tennessee,
West Virginia, Virginia, and New York, a trip of more than 4,000 miles.
This will be my 5th such trip - in excess of 2,000 miles per trip.

American build quality used to be almost as bad as British build quality,
but the Japanese spanked us so thoroughly that we had no choice but to begin
building better cars, and we do. Those American cars are ill-suited for use
in the UK for the reasons stated earlier.

I drove Porsches and BMWs for years, but when I moved back to the United
States and small-town America (70 miles from the nearest BMW or Porsche
parts and diagnostics centers) I went back to driving something I could get
repaired here - population 9,500. For a performance two-seater the obvious
choice was Corvette. I can get a Corvette repaired at any of the 4,500+
Chevy dealers in towns scattered across America.

Joel


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Old June 16th 05, 10:36 PM
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I normally avoid these ****ing contests, but the fact remains that Americans
buy cars normally that they can drive wherever they feel like going, which
may be to the corner store or 3000 miles away.

Unfortunately, many British cars would fail at the second. An American car
typically gets its oil changed at 5000 miles, if the owner remembers. It
will go 150,000 miles before any major work and quite often will get 200,000
miles on before it is scrapped out.

However, in my share of British cars, 5000 miles on an oil change was like
Russian roulette and usually would never make 150,000 miles. Part of that
was you traded them after a half dozen rain storms because you bought a car
to drive, not sit on the side of the road waiting for it to dry out.

Been there, done that, spent my time in Europe. Loved it, had fun, but
don't compare cars when they are built for two very different environments.



"the guvnor" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:24:31 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" >
> wrote:
>
> >>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US.
> >>
> >> Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your
> >> fedralisation rules.
> >>

> >
> >Improve your friggin' build quality on cars other than the Rolls, and
> >Americans might well buy your cars - IF you build them to world standards

of
> >crash worthiness. I loved Rover, but Rovers - other than the old Land
> >Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were
> >expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found.

>
> An American crying about car build quality???
>
> >I don't think you realize just how large this country is.

>
> Smaller than Russia, Canada and China.
>
> Note how you never hear people from those larger countries banging on
> about how big they are...
>
> >All the countries of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon.

>
> So what?



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Old June 16th 05, 11:24 PM
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I should add that I took a 1500 mile trip once in England. Ran from East
Anglia up to Liverpool into Scotland and back down. Most people in England
could not grasp the idea, and when they did, they thought I was absolutely
nuts to attempt such a "LONG" trip over a long weekend.

Yet here in America a few years back, I frequently made trips between
Missouri and South Florida, roughly 1200 miles one way, on weekends. So my
2400 mile trips dwarf that 1500 mile trip in England. I have been known to
commute 100 miles one way to work daily.

BTW, the fine English car broke, not once, but twice. I also had a
wonderful leak of water pouring through the windscreen. It fortunately did
not stall in the rain. It waited a few weeks to do that later on the A45
east of Cambridge.

I had a roommate who had a Rover 3500. Fast car, compared to other British
cars. Yet the thing had all the quality of a '52 Plymouth. Handled about as
well.

Unlike Russia, Canada, and China, the vast majority of our people have cars
and actually drive them long distance. It isn't (and wasn't) uncommon for a
family to drive from coast to coast. Such a trip in Russia would be beyond
what most could do. Many parts of Canada does not have roads, or at least
not in some months of the year. China?


"the guvnor" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:24:31 -0500, "Joel Jacobs" >
> wrote:
>
> >>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US.
> >>
> >> Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your
> >> fedralisation rules.
> >>

> >
> >Improve your friggin' build quality on cars other than the Rolls, and
> >Americans might well buy your cars - IF you build them to world standards

of
> >crash worthiness. I loved Rover, but Rovers - other than the old Land
> >Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were
> >expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found.

>
> An American crying about car build quality???
>
> >I don't think you realize just how large this country is.

>
> Smaller than Russia, Canada and China.
>
> Note how you never hear people from those larger countries banging on
> about how big they are...
>
> >All the countries of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon.

>
> So what?



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Old June 17th 05, 12:19 AM
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the guvnor wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2005 18:43:44 -0700, wrote:


> >the guvnor wrote:
> >> On 14 Jun 2005 19:25:22 -0700,
wrote:

> >> >So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a
> >> >Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American
> >> >sentiment in Europe.


> >> >Hate not, patriots. The Euros still want to be us, bad. Why else would
> >> >they start an online petition for Ford to bring the new Mustang to
> >> >their shores?


> >> >
http://www.neuroticweb.com/mustang/

> >> >Do them a favor and go sign the petition right now.


> >> Don't bother. you can buy them in Europe anyway.


> >> It's just that the idea of a sports car with a van style solid rear
> >> axle is a bit of a joke in Europe...


> >Until they drive one.


> 1950's pickup style suspension.


If it works, and works well like the new Mustang rear axle does, why
would you care?

> >Kinda like the folks who dismiss the new Z06 because it still uses
> >pushrods... IDIOTS!


> 1950's pickup style engine.


You can comfort yourself with that knowledge when a new Z06 leaves you
in a cloud of tire smoke.

> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the
> world?


It isn't because of pushrod engines, maybe displacement, but not the
pushrods.
And it isn't the rear axles used.

Patrick
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  #19  
Old June 17th 05, 12:20 AM
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Thanks, Tom.

Joel


  #20  
Old June 17th 05, 01:01 AM
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"the guvnor" > wrote in message
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> On 15 Jun 2005 18:43:44 -0700, wrote:
>
>>the guvnor wrote:
>>> On 14 Jun 2005 19:25:22 -0700,
wrote:
>>
>>> >So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a
>>> >Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American
>>> >sentiment in Europe.
>>> >
>>> >Hate not, patriots. The Euros still want to be us, bad. Why else would
>>> >they start an online petition for Ford to bring the new Mustang to
>>> >their shores?

>>
>>> >
http://www.neuroticweb.com/mustang/
>>
>>> >Do them a favor and go sign the petition right now.

>>
>>> Don't bother. you can buy them in Europe anyway.

>>
>>> It's just that the idea of a sports car with a van style solid rear
>>> axle is a bit of a joke in Europe...

>>
>>Until they drive one.

>
> 1950's pickup style suspension.
>
>>Kinda like the folks who dismiss the new Z06 because it still uses
>>pushrods... IDIOTS!

>
> 1950's pickup style engine.
>
> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the
> world?


Because there isn't Merkin GI's everywhere forcing people to buy
them at gunpoint?


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