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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard & location limits?
I'm told there is a law in California that "allows" dash
cams, but that there are specific "requirements". I was told that the requirements a a. Can only last for 30 seconds (even after a crash) b. Can only have video (no audio without a placard) c. Can only be on specific spots of the windshield Googling, I found, I think, the California vehicle codes: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vc_index_t.htm But, I can only find one of the three above, namely: a. time limit? b. recording disclosure requirement? c. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm Do you know how to find the time limit & disclosure rules? |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard& location limits?
bob mullen wrote:
> I'm told there is a law in California that "allows" dash > cams, but that there are specific "requirements". > > I was told that the requirements a > a. Can only last for 30 seconds (even after a crash) > b. Can only have video (no audio without a placard) > c. Can only be on specific spots of the windshield > > Googling, I found, I think, the California vehicle codes: > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vc_index_t.htm > > But, I can only find one of the three above, namely: > a. time limit? > b. recording disclosure requirement? > c. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm > > Do you know how to find the time limit & disclosure rules? http://thelosangelescriminaldefenseb...what-it-means/ http://www.ehow.com/info_12333580_le...alifornia.html http://www.turnto23.com/news/your-ne...n-all-vehicles |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard & location limits?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:24:58 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
> http://thelosangelescriminaldefenseb...what-it-means/ > http://www.ehow.com/info_12333580_le...alifornia.html > http://www.turnto23.com/news/your-ne...n-all-vehicles Wow. 30 seconds after a "triggering event", whatever that means. |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard & location limits?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:25:53 -0700, bob mullen wrote:
> Wow. 30 seconds after a "triggering event", whatever that means. Here is exactly what California says it means! :-) (13) (A) A video event recorder with the capability of monitoring driver performance to improve driver safety, which may be mounted in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed from the driver, in a five-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag deployment zone, or in a five-inch square mounted to the center uppermost portion of the interior of the windshield. As used in this section, ´video event recorder¡ means a video recorder that continuously records in a digital loop, recording audio, video, and G-force levels, but saves video only when triggered by an unusual motion or crash or when operated by the driver to monitor driver performance. (B) A vehicle equipped with a video event recorder shall have a notice posted in a visible location which states that a passengerÿs conversation may be recorded. (C) Video event recorders shall store no more than 30 seconds before and after a triggering event. (D) The registered owner or lessee of the vehicle may disable the device. (E) The data recorded to the device is the property of the registered owner or lessee of the vehicle. (F) When a person is driving for hire as an employee in a vehicle with a video event recorder, the personÿs employer shall provide unedited copies of the recordings upon the request of the employee or the employeeÿs representative. These copies shall be provided free of charge to the employee and within five days of the request. (14) (A) A video event recorder in a commercial motor vehicle with the capability of monitoring driver performance to improve driver safety, which may be mounted no more than two inches below the upper edge of the area swept by the windshield wipers, and outside the driverÿs sight lines to the road and highway signs and signals. Subparagraphs (B) to (F), inclusive, of paragraph (13) apply to the exemption provided by this paragraph. |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard &location limits?
Ann Marie Brest > wrote:
> (C) Video event recorders shall store no more than 30 seconds > before and after a triggering event. What's the rationale for the 30 second limitation? |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard& location limits?
Jessie Williams wrote:
> Ann Marie Brest > wrote: > >> (C) Video event recorders shall store no more than 30 seconds >> before and after a triggering event. > > What's the rationale for the 30 second limitation? > Probably because they don't want to chance the system looping around and erasing any of the footage. Of course it would also limit the ability to discover how long it actually takes for help to arrive. -- Steve W. |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard & location limits?
Jessie Williams wrote:
> Ann Marie Brest > wrote: > >> (C) Video event recorders shall store no more than 30 seconds >> before and after a triggering event. > > What's the rationale for the 30 second limitation? Possibly this: >(D) The registered owner or lessee of the vehicle may disable the device. > >(E) The data recorded to the device is the property of the registered owner >or lessee of the vehicle. It appears as though the law is set up to protect the rights and privacy of the owner/lessee of the vehicle. Particularly if the unit is installed by some other party (manufacturer, insurance company, etc.). They don't want hours of non event related recordings available to other parties. And the recordings triggered by the event belong to the owner/lessee. So the question is: If its my car, I'm driving it and I'm OK with longer than a +/- 30 second window, is that OK? Also, signs warning passengers about recording probably deal with the audio recording capabilities and two party consent rules. No audio and the camera is pointing out the windshield? Probably no sign required. -- Paul Hovnanian Have gnu, will travel. |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard& location limits?
On 4/21/14, 4:07 PM, bob mullen wrote:
> I'm told there is a law in California that "allows" dash > cams, but that there are specific "requirements". > > I was told that the requirements a > a. Can only last for 30 seconds (even after a crash) > b. Can only have video (no audio without a placard) > c. Can only be on specific spots of the windshield > > Googling, I found, I think, the California vehicle codes: > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vc_index_t.htm > > But, I can only find one of the three above, namely: > a. time limit? > b. recording disclosure requirement? > c. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm > > Do you know how to find the time limit & disclosure rules? > Are the cameras covered by this law aimed at the driver in the vehicle, or aimed at the road in front ? Or what ? |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard & location limits?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:07:43 -0400, Retired wrote:
> Are the cameras covered by this law aimed at the driver in the > vehicle, or aimed at the road in front ? Or what ? Interestingly, they are aimed forward, through the windshield. The only part of the driver which is recorded is audio. It seems the "loop" legally must be 30 seconds, which seems far too little to be of any use. Or, maybe I'm wrong, but the "triggering" event is 30 seconds after a crash? Can someone explain the 30-second rule? |
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What is the California law regarding dash cam time & placard & location limits?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:07:05 -0700, bob mullen
> wrote: >I'm told there is a law in California that "allows" dash >cams, but that there are specific "requirements". > >I was told that the requirements a >a. Can only last for 30 seconds (even after a crash) >b. Can only have video (no audio without a placard) >c. Can only be on specific spots of the windshield > >Googling, I found, I think, the California vehicle codes: >http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vc_index_t.htm > >But, I can only find one of the three above, namely: >a. time limit? >b. recording disclosure requirement? >c. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm > >Do you know how to find the time limit & disclosure rules? I find problems with the law and also with the link to the attorney's comments on it. The law appears to have originally been written to cover video recordings aimed at monitoring the drivers of things like taxi's and delivery trucks. As such it made some sense that they would have a G-force trigger that would save the last 30 seconds, otherwise it just went away. As I read the law it defines a specific device, a video event recorder with specific requirements including the g-force thing. In all of the BS in the law it's clear that the intent is to not have people sticking the things on the windshield and blocking their view. So I see two things that eliminate any need to even follow this law. 1) don't buy a video event recorder. What I mean is, just buy a video camera that records whatever the hell you want to record for as long as you want and no g-trigger. 2) after buying it, don't mount it on the windshield, not anywhere. Mount it on the top of the dash in a place where the driver's view is not blocked in anyway thru any part of the windshield. If slightly to the left of center toward the back of the dash in no way obstructs any part of the windshield from the drivers position then put it there. If the cops say your are violating the law ask how something that blocks NONE of the windshield and that does NOT match the specs of the video event recorder could even be covered by the law. Remember , the law itself first defines what a video event recorder is and you don't have one. As long as you haven't blocked any part of teh windshield, all teh BS about 5 and 7 square inches here there and wherever doesn't apply. There isn't any law prohibiting video cameras in cars, all there is is a law saying you can't block the drivers view with "stuff", plus a specific mention of something you don't own, a video event recorder. So you don't need to post warning signs for your passengers either. I'm not an attorney or judge so no telling how the court or cops would react when these FACTS are pointed out to them. |
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