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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
Hello, My old Chevy Lumina usually starts fine, but lately about 1 in 10 times it won't start unless I press gas pedal all the way to the floor. Ordinarily, of course, i don't press gas pedal at all when starting. It always turns over fine, just sometimes won't do any more than that unless I do the gas pedal trick, and then I'm good to go. My question is am I doing long term damage to the engine by blissfully ignoring this, since I know the "trick" to get it started when necessary? It always behaves perfectly once it's running -- starting is the only issue. Thanks Dave |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
On 3 Feb 2007 09:03:14 -0800, wrote:
> >Hello, >My old Chevy Lumina usually starts fine, but lately about 1 in 10 >times it won't start unless I press gas pedal all the way to the >floor. Ordinarily, of course, i don't press gas pedal at all when >starting. It always turns over fine, just sometimes won't do any more >than that unless I do the gas pedal trick, and then I'm good to go. > >My question is am I doing long term damage to the engine Not if you release the pedal in time to prevent high revs with the engine cold. FWIW its likely you have a problem with flooding -- possibly caused by an injector leaking down. Don www.donsautomotive.com >by blissfully ignoring this, since I know the "trick" to get it started when >necessary? > >It always behaves perfectly once it's running -- starting is the only >issue. > >Thanks >Dave |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
If a vehicle has a carburetor with an automatic choke, one must move the
throttle to allow it to reset, or floor it to force it open. If one needs to force the choke open, too much fuel entering the carburetor. Moving the throttle on a modern EFI equipped vehicle is not necessary, or advisable, since the microprocessor sets the fuel/air ratio as needed. mike > wrote in message oups.com... > > Hello, > My old Chevy Lumina usually starts fine, but lately about 1 in 10 > times it won't start unless I press gas pedal all the way to the > floor. Ordinarily, of course, i don't press gas pedal at all when > starting. It always turns over fine, just sometimes won't do any more > than that unless I do the gas pedal trick, and then I'm good to go. > > My question is am I doing long term damage to the engine by blissfully > ignoring this, since I know the "trick" to get it started when > necessary? > > It always behaves perfectly once it's running -- starting is the only > issue. > > Thanks > Dave > |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
I guess my 1978 Dodge van is cold natured.In cold weather,the way I
crank it up is to press the gas pedal to the floor twice and switch on the ignition,it won't start the first time or second time,but on the third try it always cranks up.When it does crank it runs kind of raggity untill the engine warms up.If I sit there and let it warm up for about five minutes and then shut it off and wait a few more minutes and then crank it up again,it cranks right up and runs ok.I know it needs a new choke spring,but new choke springs have been unavailable for years.I probally should install a manual choke on there. cuhulin |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
How old is this Lumina and does it have fuel injection or a carb (some
very early ones did actually use a Rochester E2SE 2-barrel carb with electronic mixture control)? To amplify what Mike said, if it is injected, if you push and hold the throttle past the 90% point during cranking the ECM will not pulse the fuel injectors. The fact that the car starts under those conditions tells me you have an injector that is leaky, and the engine needs the extra airflow to have a fireable mixture. As long as you let up on the throttle as soon as the engine starts, starting the car this way should not harm it, but you would be better off having it looked at and having the underlying problem resolved. Regards, Bill Bowen Sacramento, CA "Mike Hunter" > wrote: >If a vehicle has a carburetor with an automatic choke, one must move the >throttle to allow it to reset, or floor it to force it open. If one needs >to force the choke open, too much fuel entering the carburetor. Moving the >throttle on a modern EFI equipped vehicle is not necessary, or advisable, >since the microprocessor sets the fuel/air ratio as needed. > > >mike > > > wrote in message roups.com... >> >> Hello, >> My old Chevy Lumina usually starts fine, but lately about 1 in 10 >> times it won't start unless I press gas pedal all the way to the >> floor. Ordinarily, of course, i don't press gas pedal at all when >> starting. It always turns over fine, just sometimes won't do any more >> than that unless I do the gas pedal trick, and then I'm good to go. >> >> My question is am I doing long term damage to the engine by blissfully >> ignoring this, since I know the "trick" to get it started when >> necessary? >> >> It always behaves perfectly once it's running -- starting is the only >> issue. >> >> Thanks >> Dave >> > |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
>>> My old Chevy Lumina usually starts fine, but lately about 1 in 10 >>> times it won't start unless I press gas pedal all the way to the >>> floor. Ordinarily, of course, i don't press gas pedal at all when >>> starting. It always turns over fine, just sometimes won't do any >>> more than that unless I do the gas pedal trick, and then I'm good to >>> go. My little sister's (in her late 20's) car blew up about 5 years ago. So I loaned her my beloved '72 Plymouth Valiant 4 door (225 slant 6, 904 TorqueFlite tranny, it used to be a municipal car -- simple, white, had radio delete, plastic floormats/no carpet, only had like 70K miles, etc.). It DID run great. When I was at her house one day, she left to go to the store in my Valiant. She started it by flooring it all the way to the ground and then turning the ingition. So it was screaming! Here, it was cold and not properly lubed internally, and she starts it up at full throttle! I ran out and asked her not to do that. Long story, short. The Valiant blew up under her 'care'. :-( Lesson learned/moral of the story: when loaning out your car to someone, go over starting procedures. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
On Feb 3, 7:51 pm, William H. Bowen > wrote:
> How old is this Lumina and does it have fuel injection or a carb (some > very early ones did actually use a Rochester E2SE 2-barrel carb with > electronic mixture control)? In what country? In the US the Lumina started it's life with a 700 TBI unit on the 4 cylinder and multiport fuel injection on the V6. The Celebrity was the closest thing to a Lumina and they only had carbs through 1986. The Lumina was introduced in 1990 MY. > To amplify what Mike said, if it is injected, if you push and hold the > throttle past the 90% point during cranking the ECM will not pulse the > fuel injectors. The fact that the car starts under those conditions > tells me you have an injector that is leaky, and the engine needs the > extra airflow to have a fireable mixture. As long as you let up on the > throttle as soon as the engine starts, starting the car this way > should not harm it, but you would be better off having it looked at > and having the underlying problem resolved. Opening the throttle also increases "running compresion" but I agree that the clear flood mode is likely why it starts and the cause is excessive fueling. If it's really cold where the OP is right now then excessive fuel on startup might just help the engine *to* start! Toyota MDT in MO |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
On Feb 3, 7:07�pm, wrote:
> I guess my 1978 Dodge van is cold natured.In cold weather,the way I > crank it up is to press the gas pedal to the floor twice and switch on > the ignition,it won't start the first time or second time,but on the > third try it always cranks up.When it does crank it runs kind of raggity > untill the engine warms up.If I sit there and let it warm up for about > five minutes and then shut it off and wait a few more minutes and then > crank it up again,it cranks right up and runs ok.I know it needs a new > choke spring,but new choke springs have been unavailable for years.I > probally should install a manual choke on there. > cuhulin * In your case, with a normally asperated engine, pushing the pedal the first time will set (close) the choke. Any more pushing on the pedal will pump a small amount of fuel into the engine from the accelerator pump which is built into your carb. Hank <~~~loves a good fuel/air ratio on a cold wintry morning :-) |
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Is it bad to start car with gas pedal to floor?
>>Hello, >>My old Chevy Lumina usually starts fine, but lately about 1 in 10 >>times it won't start unless I press gas pedal all the way to the >>floor. Ordinarily, of course, i don't press gas pedal at all when >>starting. It always turns over fine, just sometimes won't do any more >>than that unless I do the gas pedal trick, and then I'm good to go. >> Probably a leaky fuel injector allowing fuel to "pool" in the intake plumbing, necessitating a lot of air flow through the open throttle to clear it out. >>My question is am I doing long term damage to the engine by blissfully >>ignoring this, since I know the "trick" to get it started when >>necessary? >> Tends to wash oil off the cylinder walls accelerating wear, and also probably means its idling too rich (if its a leaky injector or injectors). But nothing immediately harmful. |
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