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Running a car on water via electrolysis
Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems
people just want to debunk the idea of combusting hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion engine, but yet again it seems a company has produced the technology to make it happen: http://hytechapps.com/company/press Meanwhile the mafia known as the oil industry are making tens of billions more dollars every year and their pals in the dying US auto industry even now can't comprehend that consumers don't want gasoline-guzzlers. |
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Running a car on water via electrolysis
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"Rarpy" > wrote in message oups.com... > Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems > people just want to debunk the idea of combusting > hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion > engine, but yet again it seems a company has > produced the technology to make it happen: > > http://hytechapps.com/company/press > > Meanwhile the mafia known as the oil industry > are making tens of billions more dollars every year > and their pals in the dying US auto industry even now > can't comprehend that consumers don't want > gasoline-guzzlers. In other words you and the Aquagen people are claiming that, in effect, more energy can be produced than that needed to produce it. I also note that it is an additive but if it worked that well, it wouled be a primary source of perpetual energy. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. Can I sell you a slightly used bridge? -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer > |
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Rarpy wrote: > Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems > people just want to debunk the idea of combusting > hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion > engine, but yet again it seems a company has > produced the technology to make it happen: > > http://hytechapps.com/company/press Sure you can burn hydrogen in an ICE. Just as you can burn lots of gases. It's simply very expensive and inefficient. Graham |
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In article .com>, Rarpy wrote:
> Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems > people just want to debunk the idea of combusting > hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion > engine, but yet again it seems a company has > produced the technology to make it happen: The problem isn't being able to do it, the problem is the _ENERGY_ required to separate the H2 from H2O. H2 is really a battery, it just allows things like nuke plants and wind farms to store the energy chemically. *BUT* H2 is very difficult to store. Better off with ethanol as the chemical battery. 1) Easy to store. 2) Easier to run todays cars on. 3) If done right, energy is gained from the plant material and it's not just a 'battery'. Of course water is easier to come by than the crops for ethanol, so that's the trade off. |
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Running a car on water via electrolysis
Rarpy wrote: > Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems > people just want to debunk the idea of combusting > hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion > engine.... No, they don't, AssHole. The source of energy and yield down the line are the issue. |
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Running a car on water via electrolysis
Brent P wrote: > In article .com>, Rarpy wrote: > >>Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems >>people just want to debunk the idea of combusting >>hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion >>engine, but yet again it seems a company has >>produced the technology to make it happen: > > > The problem isn't being able to do it, the problem is the _ENERGY_ > required to separate the H2 from H2O. Finally, a little sense. |
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On Feb 12, 7:54 pm, "Rarpy" > wrote:
> Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems > people just want to debunk the idea of combusting > hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion > engine, but yet again it seems a company has > produced the technology to make it happen: > > http://hytechapps.com/company/press > > Meanwhile the mafia known as the oil industry > are making tens of billions more dollars every year > and their pals in the dying US auto industry even now > can't comprehend that consumers don't want > gasoline-guzzlers. A typical response based on emotions not on science or logic. You need to get a basic education in science if you are going to try to argue topics of this sort. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...thermodynamics and study the information. Many scientists have tried to disprove this law without success, and many scams have extracted money from suckers who do not understand basic physics. Yes, hydrogen power internal combustion engines have been around for a long time, and they work. The problem is how to get the hydrogen which indeed can be extracted from water. Unfortunately it requires lots of energy (usually electricity) to extract the hydrogen. When burned and turned back into water in the engine, less energy is released than was required to extract it in the first place. This is a fundamental principle of physics and is not going to change. Yes, solar energy could be used to extract the hydrogen, or it could be used to charge a battery to power an electric car. According to experts in the field, the second option is more efficient, although not without problems. Go to http://www.apec-conf.org/2006/APEC_2006_Plenary_3.pdf for a good comparison of hydrogen, electric, and gasoline technology. If you believe that consumers don't want gas guzzlers, then why have all the foreign car makers started making SUV's, and larger, higher horsepower versions of their cars? The answer is real simple, THEY SELL. Sure, oil companies are making a profit, but do you think Honda or Toyota or Volkswagen are not? Study the facts, then you can present a reasonable argument based on reality, not just spew out garbage based on nothing. |
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Running a car on water via electrolysis
Rig up a Dehumidifier and you won't even have to stop to tank up on
water. cuhulin |
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Running a car on water via electrolysis
On Feb 12, 10:06 pm, Eeyore >
wrote: > Rarpy wrote: > > Ever since the first patent in the 1930's, it seems > > people just want to debunk the idea of combusting > > hydrogen from water inside an internal combustion > > engine, but yet again it seems a company has > > produced the technology to make it happen: > > >http://hytechapps.com/company/press > > Sure you can burn hydrogen in an ICE. Just as you can burn lots of gases. It's > simply very expensive and inefficient. > > Graham No, it isn't that hard nor expensive. The same technology that converts engines to run on natural gas can run hydrogen with some adjustment. Now, the big kicker is that hydrogen is very low octane, so something must be done about that. EGR in massive amounts is one solution. Tankage is a problem- compressed hydrogen provides limited range as the size of the tank in cubic foot per megajoule of energy is large. And of course, as others are pointing out, electrolysis is not free- you need to put in as much or more energy than you get out. |
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Running a car on water via electrolysis
www.devilfinder.com How to make your own automobile fuel
Start growing that corn and get busy. cuhulin |
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