THe GW Scan Is Still Alive, Amazingly

On Jul 5, 8:42*pm, Brent > wrote:
> On 2010-07-06, Larry G > wrote:
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> > On Jul 5, 9:53 pm, Brent > wrote:
> >> On 2010-07-05, Larry G > wrote:
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> >> > here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none
> >> > of these countries went broke:
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> >> > Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
> >> > Norway Oslo $6.27
> >> > Italy Milan $5.96
> >> > Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
> >> > Belgium Brussels $5.91
> >> > Sweden Stockholm $5.80
> >> > United Kingdom London $5.79
> >> > Germany Frankfurt $5.57
> >> > France Paris $5.54
> >> > Portugal Lisbon $5.35
> >> > Hungary Budapest $4.94
> >> I don't think you would like the standard of living in many of those
> >> countries. A standard of living that is what it is thanks to a very high
> >> tax rate. The standard of living based on material goods, home size, etc
> >> is probably about equal or below to that of the USA's 'poor'.
> > well.. everyone in those countries has health care.
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> Um, government provided/controlled health care is nothing more than the
> control freaks manipulating/shaping society here or there.
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> > They have a longer life expectancy and less infant deaths,
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> That's a question of diet and taking care of themselves. Plus foods in
> europe aren't as poisoned with things like HFCS and various chemicals
> (thanks to the FDA, tax laws, etc) and GMO is essentially banned. Why?
> Because the people didn't rely on an FDA like government entity. They
> rejected them in the market.
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> > they usually have shorter work weeks and longer vacations...
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> The reason France has shorter work weeks is so that more people would be
> employed. Or that's the logic behind it. Trying to limit what any one
> person can do productivity wise so others can get jobs.
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> Now the US is backwards in that it culturally demands a 40+ hour work
> week (and often little vacation) regardless of a person's productivity.
> It's a slowest-ship-in-the-fleet approach where people are measured
> by time present instead of their output that is destructive for both
> workers and the economy but good for those who aren't very productive.
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> > almost no gun deaths...
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> The US would have far fewer too if certain things were attended to. Like
> the war on some drugs.
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> > they don't starve to death or freeze to death either.
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> Neither do americans. Both have underclasses of people who for whatever
> reason choose to live on the streets. The rest is the difference in
> climate.
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> > I think it is us that is living above our means as recent events are
> > showing.
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> Which is irrelevant because it is possible to live far under one's means
> in the USA and still have more than a european working the same job
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$8/hr at walmart, part time with NO bennies

to save those *******s money and inc their profits

more proof tax rates are NOT high enough






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as per usual you are full of ****

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

it has to do with the lack of access to health care, plus general
poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept

>more proof tax rates are NOT high enough

Oh, what's this? More leftist "I hate business" crap again?

Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
we get the economy booming again. The income taxes make American
labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
send all the jobs the can overseas. Its the income taxes...

>it has to do with the lack of access to health care, plus general
>poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept

The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
to the income taxes strangling US business. Get rid of 'em,
completely. Pass the Fair Tax. Get the economy going again, reduce
unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.

Dave Head > wrote:

>>more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>
>Oh, what's this? More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>
>Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
>we get the economy booming again. The income taxes make American
>labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
>send all the jobs the can overseas. Its the income taxes...
>
>>it has to do with the lack of access to health care, plus general
>>poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>
>The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
>to the income taxes strangling US business. Get rid of 'em,
>completely. Pass the Fair Tax. Get the economy going again, reduce
>unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.

Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. There's no point in discussing
anything with you if you're that delusional.

John Lansford, PE
--
John's Shop of Wood
http://wood.jlansford.net/

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:10:25 -0400, John Lansford
> wrote:

>Dave Head > wrote:
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>>>more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>>
>>Oh, what's this? More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>>
>>Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
>>we get the economy booming again. The income taxes make American
>>labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
>>send all the jobs the can overseas. Its the income taxes...
>>
>>>it has to do with the lack of access to health care, plus general
>>>poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>>
>>The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
>>to the income taxes strangling US business. Get rid of 'em,
>>completely. Pass the Fair Tax. Get the economy going again, reduce
>>unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>
>Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert.

Fair Tax /= Flat Tax

The flat tax is still an income tax.

>There's no point in discussing
>anything with you if you're that delusional.

Yeah, you know everything. I learned that about you years ago.
>John Lansford, PE

On Jul 6, 7:10*pm, John Lansford > wrote:
> Dave Head > wrote:
> >>more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>
> >Oh, what's this? *More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>
> >Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
> >we get the economy booming again. *The income taxes make American
> >labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
> >send all the jobs the can overseas. *Its the income taxes...
>
> >>it has to *do with * the lack of access to health care, *plus general
> >>poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>
> >The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
> >to the income taxes strangling US business. *Get rid of 'em,
> >completely. *Pass the Fair Tax. *Get the economy going again, reduce
> >unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>
> Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. *There's no point in discussing
> anything with you if you're that delusional.

I dunno. I'm of the opinion that if push comes to shove on the
country's finances, it's going to push us to tax reforms that we never
would consider before.

I personally favor taxes on consumption.. and not on earned wealth per
se (notice I say 'earned' wealth.. )

On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:43:52 -0700 (PDT), Larry G >
wrote in misc.transport.road:

>On Jul 6, 7:10*pm, John Lansford > wrote:
>> Dave Head > wrote:
>> >>more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>>
>> >Oh, what's this? *More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>>
>> >Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
>> >we get the economy booming again. *The income taxes make American
>> >labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
>> >send all the jobs the can overseas. *Its the income taxes...
>>
>> >>it has to *do with * the lack of access to health care, *plus general
>> >>poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>>
>> >The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
>> >to the income taxes strangling US business. *Get rid of 'em,
>> >completely. *Pass the Fair Tax. *Get the economy going again, reduce
>> >unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>>
>> Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. *There's no point in discussing
>> anything with you if you're that delusional.
>
>I dunno. I'm of the opinion that if push comes to shove on the
>country's finances, it's going to push us to tax reforms that we never
>would consider before.

That would be a VAT in addition to current taxes. The massive Bush cut
for the rich is going away next year.

>I personally favor taxes on consumption.. and not on earned wealth per
>se (notice I say 'earned' wealth.. )
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:46:05 -0500, Free Lunch >
wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:43:52 -0700 (PDT), Larry G >
>wrote in misc.transport.road:
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>>On Jul 6, 7:10*pm, John Lansford > wrote:
>>> Dave Head > wrote:
>>> >>more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>>>
>>> >Oh, what's this? *More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>>>
>>> >Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
>>> >we get the economy booming again. *The income taxes make American
>>> >labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
>>> >send all the jobs the can overseas. *Its the income taxes...
>>>
>>> >>it has to *do with * the lack of access to health care, *plus general
>>> >>poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>>>
>>> >The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
>>> >to the income taxes strangling US business. *Get rid of 'em,
>>> >completely. *Pass the Fair Tax. *Get the economy going again, reduce
>>> >unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>>>
>>> Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. *There's no point in discussing
>>> anything with you if you're that delusional.
>>
>>I dunno. I'm of the opinion that if push comes to shove on the
>>country's finances, it's going to push us to tax reforms that we never
>>would consider before.
>
>That would be a VAT in addition to current taxes.

That, of course, will just make things even worse.

>The massive Bush cut for the rich is going away next year.

That too.
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>>I personally favor taxes on consumption.. and not on earned wealth per
>>se (notice I say 'earned' wealth.. )

Consumption taxes get all those louts that are avoiding it now -
criminals, those hiding money overseas (just more criminals), rich
people just slowly spending down a pile without earning anything,
illegal aliens, the "shawdow economy" - they all get nailed when they
buy everything from a Big Mac to a big screen TV to a big SUV. Then
there's the tourists - 45 - 56 million of 'em a year, that pay too.
And the nonsense of only 47% of households paying the income tax would
be a thing of the past. Everyone's taxes would be lower (except those
that are weaseling out of paying it now) and the zero-tax
manufacturing environment would have factory-type jobs springing up
all over the place. Factory jobs are the ones where you can make
$30/hr, and drive the economy from the inside - by spending - 'cuz you
have something to spend. $13/hr "green" jobs don't have people buying
82" Mitsubishi rear-projection 3D ready big screen TV's - but factory
jobs do.

On 7/6/2010 7:10 PM, John Lansford wrote:
> Dave Head > wrote:
>
>>> more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>>
>> Oh, what's this? More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>>
>> Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
>> we get the economy booming again. The income taxes make American
>> labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
>> send all the jobs the can overseas. Its the income taxes...
>>
>>> it has to do with the lack of access to health care, plus general
>>> poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>>
>> The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
>> to the income taxes strangling US business. Get rid of 'em,
>> completely. Pass the Fair Tax. Get the economy going again, reduce
>> unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>
> Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. There's no point in discussing
> anything with you if you're that delusional.

http://fairtax.org

This tax is a Sales tax *NOT* a flat tax.

What would be better is a *NEW ITEM* sales tax with an insert in the
amendment that for every 1% the tax is raised the government is forced
to cut across the board all spending by 3%

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:13:31 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> wrote:

>On 7/6/2010 7:10 PM, John Lansford wrote:
>> Dave Head > wrote:
>>
>>>> more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>>>
>>> Oh, what's this? More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>>>
>>> Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
>>> we get the economy booming again. The income taxes make American
>>> labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
>>> send all the jobs the can overseas. Its the income taxes...
>>>
>>>> it has to do with the lack of access to health care, plus general
>>>> poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>>>
>>> The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
>>> to the income taxes strangling US business. Get rid of 'em,
>>> completely. Pass the Fair Tax. Get the economy going again, reduce
>>> unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>>
>> Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. There's no point in discussing
>> anything with you if you're that delusional.
>
>http://fairtax.org
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>This tax is a Sales tax *NOT* a flat tax.
>
>What would be better is a *NEW ITEM* sales tax

It _is_ a "New Item" sales tax. Used goods are not taxed. Services
are also taxed. Every US citizen with a social security number
receives a check for the amount of the poverty level for their living
situation. If you're making a poverty wage, that means you don't pay
a penny of Fair Tax because on all your spending up to the full amount
of your wages, the tax is paid for you by that gov't check.

>with an insert in the
>amendment that for every 1% the tax is raised the government is forced
>to cut across the board all spending by 3%

They're going to have to cut spending even with the Fair Tax.

On Jul 6, 8:27*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:13:31 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
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> > wrote:
> >On 7/6/2010 7:10 PM, John Lansford wrote:
> >> Dave Head > wrote:
>
> >>>> more proof tax rates are NOT high enough
>
> >>> Oh, what's this? *More leftist "I hate business" crap again?
>
> >>> Getting RID of the corporate income taxes, and ALL income taxes is how
> >>> we get the economy booming again. *The income taxes make American
> >>> labor so expensive that business cannot pay good wages and they also
> >>> send all the jobs the can overseas. *Its the income taxes...
>
> >>>> it has to *do with * the lack of access to health care, *plus general
> >>>> poverty which idiots like you are willing to accept
>
> >>> The general poverty is rising due to jobs going overseas, which is due
> >>> to the income taxes strangling US business. *Get rid of 'em,
> >>> completely. *Pass the Fair Tax. *Get the economy going again, reduce
> >>> unemploment, reduce welfare, etc.
>
> >> Oh geez; you're a flat tax convert. *There's no point in discussing
> >> anything with you if you're that delusional.
>
> >http://fairtax.org
>
> >This tax is a Sales tax *NOT* a flat tax.
>
> >What would be better is a *NEW ITEM* sales tax
>
> It _is_ a "New Item" sales tax. *Used goods are not taxed. *Services
> are also taxed. *Every US citizen with a social security number
> receives a check for the amount of the poverty level for their living
> situation. *If you're making a poverty wage, that means you don't pay
> a penny of Fair Tax because on all your spending up to the full amount
> of your wages, the tax is paid for you by that gov't check.
>
> >with an insert in the
> >amendment that for every 1% the tax is raised the government is forced
> >to cut across the board all spending by 3%
>
> They're going to have to cut spending even with the Fair Tax.

The Demographics RULE. That is that entitlements make up around 70% of
the total budget. All this yammering about cutting waste ...etc..
matters not in the bigger scheme of things.

it's Medicare and SS that matter (as well as Military spending).
Those are the big elephants in the room.

Should we be funding (subsidizing) SS and Medicare with a sales tax or
not or should Medicare and SS be self-funded - with payroll tax/
premiums matching expenses?

We spend twice as much per capita on HC and don't cover everyone - and
we're projected to bump that to even higher than twice as much as we
get older demographically.

That's what is driving the deficits... and they're not going to be
solved by a sales tax unless it's a pretty stiff one...