New/2011 5.0 Mustang Details

This one is going to be special, folks! Read on.


Mustang's 400 horses make one powerful pony
Mustang's 5-liter V-8 vrooms into next decade with good gas mileage
Scott Burgess / The Detroit News

It sounds better than it looks, and the 2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 looks
great.

Ford Motor Co. was to officially announce today the return of the 5-
liter V-8, and the public will get its first look at the muscle car in
January at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

The legendary engine has lived in the Mustang on and off for nearly 30
years but never with as much ferocious power or outstanding gas
mileage. The new GT will be able to get up to 25 miles per gallon
while cranking out more than 400 horses.

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The current GT, powered by Ford's bullet proof 4.6-liter V-8, produces
315 horsepower and averages 23 mpg on the highway.

By the numbers the new naturally aspirated engine will deliver 412
horsepower, 390 pound-feet torque and a rumbling growl that can make
the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

"I've been waiting 48 years for this," Jim Farley, Ford's vice
president of marketing and a longtime Mustang enthusiast, said during
a media preview of the Mustang GT. Farley drives a Grabber Blue
Mustang GT. "When I joined Ford, as soon as I heard about this engine,
I knew we had something special," he said.

The hallowed engine block -- a 5-liter engine has almost the same
displacement as 302 cubic inches or a Boss 302 -- has a long Mustang
history. When the 1983 Mustang GT 5.0 High Output arrived, it cranked
out a then-thunderous 157 horsepower. A four-barrel carburetor on the
1986 GT wowed consumers with its 210 horsepower. The last GT to use
the 5-liter V-8 was the 1995 Mustang.

Ford could use the new engine in other vehicles, such as the F-150
pickup, to provide more power than the current 4.6-liter V-8, though
executives would not comment on that possibility.

Engineers and designers said they were challenged to top 400
horsepower on a 5-liter displacement engine. Additionally, they were
given only a few years to create it, losing 12 months of development
time.

"It's faster than we've ever done it," said Mike Harrison, V-8 engine
programs manager, of the work his 10-person team did.

Engineers opened up the intake and created new headers for a "better
breathing engine," Harrison said. They also gave the V-8 twin
independent variable valve camshaft timing to enhance its performance.

Ford will showcase the new GT with the black and red 5.0 badge at the
auto show in Detroit. But this car adds more than just power.

Ford will add a new six-speed automatic or manual transmission to the
GT, replacing the five-speed gear box on the current model. With the
improved gear ratios and with lots of low-end torque, drivers no
longer will have to downshift to third to find power at 70 mph. (The
new speedometer goes up to 160 mph, up from 140 mph.)

It will feature electric power-assisted steering, known as EPAS. This
fuel-saving technology operates without a traditional steering pump,
and Ford has worked to dial in a solid steering feel, engineers said.

There also were changes to the car's suspension and tuning. Ford
promises a much quieter ride in the 2011 Mustang GT due to additional
sound-deadening materials. Engineers added support to make the body 12
percent more rigid to improve its handling. The Mustang GT will keep
its solid rear axle, perhaps the one sharply criticized attribute, but
one many enthusiasts have come to embrace.

A special Bermbo brake package also will be available on the new GT
with 14-inch disc brakes (taken from the GT 500), 19-inch wheels and
summer performance tires.

Ford said it also will add features such as integrated blind spot
mirrors, illuminated visors, and a universal garage door opener on the
2011 Mustang GT.

The 5.0 V-8 engine upgrade follows the introduction of a new
powertrain to the 2011 Mustang V-6, which comes with a 3.7-liter
engine that provides more than 300 horsepower and still allows the car
to hit 30 mpg.

"This car is beautiful," Aaron Bragman, an automotive analyst at IHS
Global Insight, said of the new 5.0. "Mustang enthusiasts will love
it."

Then he looked at a black Mustang GT in front of him: "I'll take that
one."

Patrick

"NoOp" > wrote in message
...
> This one is going to be special, folks! Read on.
>
>
> Mustang's 400 horses make one powerful pony
> Mustang's 5-liter V-8 vrooms into next decade with good gas mileage
> Scott Burgess / The Detroit News
>
> It sounds better than it looks, and the 2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 looks
> great.
>
> Ford Motor Co. was to officially announce today the return of the 5-
> liter V-8, and the public will get its first look at the muscle car in
> January at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.
>
> The legendary engine has lived in the Mustang on and off for nearly 30
> years but never with as much ferocious power or outstanding gas
> mileage. The new GT will be able to get up to 25 miles per gallon
> while cranking out more than 400 horses.

Wrong-O.

25 mpg while @ 60 horses

please correct your misleading statement;

"The new GT will be able to get up to 25 miles per gallon
OR cranke out more than 400 horses."

@ 400 horses your at about 5 MPG


>
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>
> The current GT, powered by Ford's bullet proof 4.6-liter V-8, produces
> 315 horsepower and averages 23 mpg on the highway.

When going 50 MPH.

>
> By the numbers the new naturally aspirated engine will deliver 412
> horsepower, 390 pound-feet torque and a rumbling growl that can make
> the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

BS, the tank weighs over 4,500 pounds, it is BIGGUS PIGGUS


>
> "I've been waiting 48 years for this," Jim Farley, Ford's vice
> president of marketing and a longtime Mustang enthusiast, said during
> a media preview of the Mustang GT. Farley drives a Grabber Blue
> Mustang GT. "When I joined Ford, as soon as I heard about this engine,
> I knew we had something special," he said.


Take some f**king WEIGHT OFF IT, DA.

Big and Heavy and sluggish was so 60's with the sleads, 450 engine.

>
> The hallowed engine block -- a 5-liter engine has almost the same
> displacement as 302 cubic inches or a Boss 302 -- has a long Mustang
> history. When the 1983 Mustang GT 5.0 High Output arrived, it cranked
> out a then-thunderous 157 horsepower. A four-barrel carburetor on the
> 1986 GT wowed consumers with its 210 horsepower. The last GT to use
> the 5-liter V-8 was the 1995 Mustang.

push rods.....


>
> Ford could use the new engine in other vehicles, such as the F-150
> pickup, to provide more power than the current 4.6-liter V-8, though
> executives would not comment on that possibility.
>
> Engineers and designers said they were challenged to top 400
> horsepower on a 5-liter displacement engine. Additionally, they were
> given only a few years to create it, losing 12 months of development
> time.

How many short cuts did ya'll take ??


>
> "It's faster than we've ever done it," said Mike Harrison, V-8 engine
> programs manager, of the work his 10-person team did.
>
> Engineers opened up the intake and created new headers for a "better
> breathing engine," Harrison said. They also gave the V-8 twin
> independent variable valve camshaft timing to enhance its performance.


Just put a f*king BLOWER ON IT, D.A.!!


>
> Ford will showcase the new GT with the black and red 5.0 badge at the
> auto show in Detroit. But this car adds more than just power.
>
> Ford will add a new six-speed automatic or manual transmission to the
> GT, replacing the five-speed gear box on the current model. With the
> improved gear ratios and with lots of low-end torque,


EXCEPT TORQUE IS F**KING LIMITED BY COMPUTER SO GREAT AUNT MOGGIE CAN
DRIVE IT.


>drivers no
> longer will have to downshift to third to find power at 70 mph. (The
> new speedometer goes up to 160 mph, up from 140 mph.)

BUT IT IS SPEED LIMITED TO 110 MPH BY STARVING FUEL !!

IT WILL NEVER DO 120.

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>
> Patrick

jonnie wrote:
>> The current GT, powered by Ford's bullet proof 4.6-liter V-8, produces
>> 315 horsepower and averages 23 mpg on the highway.
>
> When going 50 MPH.

I beg to differ. Obviously we won't know until someone tries it, but
my Mustang and my truck get better mileage at 60 than at 50.


>> Ford will add a new six-speed automatic or manual transmission to the
>> GT, replacing the five-speed gear box on the current model. With the
>> improved gear ratios and with lots of low-end torque,
>
>
> EXCEPT TORQUE IS F**KING LIMITED BY COMPUTER SO GREAT AUNT MOGGIE CAN
> DRIVE IT.
>

Until Spurchips, bullydog etc. start shipping their custom
programmers. I thought I mentioned that....


>
>> drivers no
>> longer will have to downshift to third to find power at 70 mph. (The
>> new speedometer goes up to 160 mph, up from 140 mph.)
>
> BUT IT IS SPEED LIMITED TO 110 MPH BY STARVING FUEL !!
>
> IT WILL NEVER DO 120.
>

I beg to differ again, see above.

WindsorFox<[SS]> wrote:
> jonnie wrote:
>>> The current GT, powered by Ford's bullet proof 4.6-liter V-8,
>>> produces 315 horsepower and averages 23 mpg on the highway.
>>
>> When going 50 MPH.
>
> I beg to differ. Obviously we won't know until someone tries it,
> but my Mustang and my truck get better mileage at 60 than at 50.
>
>

Mine don't get better at 60 than at 50, but they both (2008
convertible automatic and 2009 GT manual-shifter) average more than 23
mpg at 75 mph, on long stretches. Both are averaging more than 20 mpg
in a total of more than 10,000 miles of real-world pleasure driving,
including multiple autocrosses and drag-racing events.

Not that MPG is the important criterion for choosing a Mustang.

I guess they each weigh 3500 pounds or so. I can't see where jonnie's
4500 came from.

I do see a problem with saying "the 5.0 is back"; it can't be back if
it is all new, new, new. I'll bet it differs from the 5.0 that could
be "back" by a cc or two, at least, in addtion to the number of valve
and method of actuation, for example.

Freaking hypists do give me agruras.

--
Frank ess

My '07 GT man. is getting 25 mpg on the cruise at 65 mph.
Wife is avg. 22 mpg on commuting 25 miles per day.
Pretty good IMO with the 3.73 rear IMO. 5.0 should be just as good as it
only another .4 liters.
That is as long as your prudent with the right pedal........

"Repairman" > wrote in message
...
> My '07 GT man. is getting 25 mpg on the cruise at 65 mph.
> Wife is avg. 22 mpg on commuting 25 miles per day.
> Pretty good IMO with the 3.73 rear IMO. 5.0 should be just as good as it
> only another .4 liters.
> That is as long as your prudent with the right pedal........
>

Interesting discussion, if only because it's alien to my way of thinking.

I suppose that my mileage would be better doing 75mph in 5th gear than 75 in
4th, but fuel economy has never been a guiding principle in my auto buying
history (or, apparently, my auto driving history). The anticipated mpg of
the 2011 Mustang is irrelevant to me; it's the other numbers that I find so
appealing.

I'm sorry, but I just don't care whether the new GT gets 25mpg, 22mpg, or a
more-real-world 17mpg. For those who do care, I will point out that the new
V6 model looks to be fantastic and may qualify as a best buy.

What shocks me in all of this is that Ford dropped the information about
2011 now. Reading about both 2011 models, who in their right mind would go
out today to buy a 2010? Doesn't this just automatically put sales in the
toilet for the remainder of this model year?

dwight

"WindsorFox<[SS]>" > wrote in message
...
> jonnie wrote:
>>> The current GT, powered by Ford's bullet proof 4.6-liter V-8, produces
>>> 315 horsepower and averages 23 mpg on the highway.
>>
>> When going 50 MPH.
>
> I beg to differ. Obviously we won't know until someone tries it, but my
> Mustang and my truck get better mileage at 60 than at 50.
>

na......
In third link chkout "MPG with Fixed"
These curves should be published for each car, MPG vs Speed and be put on
the internet.

http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/consumer/...eage-500px.gif

http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/...eed_vs_mpg.gif

http://home.hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_epa_010.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...speed_1997.png

hey, you could be right --- last link above has a lot of bumps, probably the
gear in automatic
Each gear has a most effecient speed for gas milage, .

>
>>> Ford will add a new six-speed automatic or manual transmission to the
>>> GT, replacing the five-speed gear box on the current model. With the
>>> improved gear ratios and with lots of low-end torque,
>>
>>
>> EXCEPT TORQUE IS F**KING LIMITED BY COMPUTER SO GREAT AUNT MOGGIE CAN
>> DRIVE IT.
>>
>
> Until Spurchips, bullydog etc. start shipping their custom programmers.
> I thought I mentioned that....

Chips can take out some, but not all, from what I have heard, and the
warrenty is gone.
throttle lag, too bad.

Anybody do this with a chip, and get all the torque back at start?
93 5.0 8# I can burn tires in first three gears. Can a 2009 do that?


>
>
>>
>>> drivers no
>>> longer will have to downshift to third to find power at 70 mph. (The
>>> new speedometer goes up to 160 mph, up from 140 mph.)
>>
>> BUT IT IS SPEED LIMITED TO 110 MPH BY STARVING FUEL !!
>>
>> IT WILL NEVER DO 120.
>>
>
> I beg to differ again, see above.

I dont think you can extend the map on up to 160 MPH.
How many cars do you know of naturally asperated that can do 160 ?
I know a 89 5.0 ex cop car can do 130 mph, non-blown

On Dec 28, 9:54*pm, "Frank ess" > wrote:

> I do see a problem with saying "the 5.0 is back"; it can't be back if it is all new, new, new. I'll bet it differs from the 5.0 that could be "back" by a cc or two, at least, in addtion to the number of valve and method of actuation, for example.

Frank ess,

Would you say then that the Challenger isn't back? And the Camaro
isn't back?

Can't we just call it the new 5.0? Or the new, improved 5.0? ;-)

Patrick


Patrick

jonnie wrote:
> "WindsorFox<[SS]>" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jonnie wrote:
>>>> The current GT, powered by Ford's bullet proof 4.6-liter V-8, produces
>>>> 315 horsepower and averages 23 mpg on the highway.
>>> When going 50 MPH.
>> I beg to differ. Obviously we won't know until someone tries it, but my
>> Mustang and my truck get better mileage at 60 than at 50.
>>
>
> na......
> In third link chkout "MPG with Fixed"
> These curves should be published for each car, MPG vs Speed and be put on
> the internet.
>
> http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/consumer/...eage-500px.gif
>
> http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/...eed_vs_mpg.gif
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_epa_010.jpg
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...speed_1997.png
>
> hey, you could be right --- last link above has a lot of bumps, probably the
> gear in automatic
> Each gear has a most effecient speed for gas milage, .
>
>>>> Ford will add a new six-speed automatic or manual transmission to the
>>>> GT, replacing the five-speed gear box on the current model. With the
>>>> improved gear ratios and with lots of low-end torque,
>>>
>>> EXCEPT TORQUE IS F**KING LIMITED BY COMPUTER SO GREAT AUNT MOGGIE CAN
>>> DRIVE IT.
>>>
>> Until Spurchips, bullydog etc. start shipping their custom programmers.
>> I thought I mentioned that....
>
> Chips can take out some, but not all, from what I have heard, and the
> warrenty is gone.
> throttle lag, too bad.

You have "heard" wrong. Also, I said programmer, not chip. That's
how it's most efficiently done on OBD2. I have first hand experience
with this, a Superchips Cortex programmer and a 2005 Nissan Titan. And
this is not just torque, power and/or speed limits removed or changed.
It is shift points, changes to anti-slip and anti-lock points and all
manner of driveability changes. And they would have to prove that you or
a program did something to negate the warranty.

>
> Anybody do this with a chip, and get all the torque back at start?
> 93 5.0 8# I can burn tires in first three gears. Can a 2009 do that?
>

I wouldn't know, I've never tried. Talk about negating a warranty,
you think they will overlook an 8Lb blower??? Not only that, if you are
"burning tires" you are only wasting money and losing traction and the
race at hand while possibly impressing any teens that happen to be
watching. Not really impressive in my book

>
>>
>>>> drivers no
>>>> longer will have to downshift to third to find power at 70 mph. (The
>>>> new speedometer goes up to 160 mph, up from 140 mph.)
>>> BUT IT IS SPEED LIMITED TO 110 MPH BY STARVING FUEL !!
>>>
>>> IT WILL NEVER DO 120.
>>>
>> I beg to differ again, see above.
>
> I dont think you can extend the map on up to 160 MPH.
> How many cars do you know of naturally asperated that can do 160 ?
> I know a 89 5.0 ex cop car can do 130 mph, non-blown

Ok, you're playing Calvin ball. I thought we were talking about a
2011 model Mustang and a speed that could not be attained due to a
limit. Actually after thinking about it, I don't think I want to go 160
MPH in a Mustang with a stock suspension and stock tires.

"NoOp" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 28, 9:54 pm, "Frank ess" > wrote:

> I do see a problem with saying "the 5.0 is back"; it can't be back if it
> is all new, new, new. I'll bet it differs from the 5.0 that could be
> "back" by a cc or two, at least, in addtion to the number of valve and
> method of actuation, for example.

>Frank ess,
>
>Would you say then that the Challenger isn't back? And the Camaro
>isn't back?
>Can't we just call it the new 5.0? Or the new, improved 5.0? ;-)
>
>
>Patrick

truth in advertizing;

call it the Heavy 5.0, over 800 pounds of WEIGHT

call it the Torque Limited 5.0

Over weight and limited torque, the New 5.0 sluggishly waddles into the show
room.