First kill!

Up here in Cowtown, AB, we have two street racing deaths in the last four
days. One dip**** had his 70-year-old grandmother in the car when it went
spalt, and so did she. (This is true.) Another had some dumb bitch hitting
the back of a minivan, which rolled many times and, again, spalt. But these
people are so cool. I wish I could be like them and push hard on the pedal
on the street. That takes someone way cooler than me to do.

Brad

"James" > wrote in message
...
> In our area a young couple and their 5 month old daughter were killed when
> hit at 100+ MPH by a street racer just last weekend. Of course one of the
> cars involved was a Mustang. The vehicle that actually hit the families
> car was a pickup truck.
>
>
> "Brad and Mia" > wrote in message
> news:PXBje.1426502$6l.2665@pd7tw2no...
>>
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Good story. Get ready though, the PC police are likely to ambush you
>>> for your transgressions.
>>
>> Oh please. Lots of people street race. I do. All the time. I mean,
>> driving 60 in a 30, or 80 in a 40 is kewl. I know I know, someday I might
>> kill someone. But at least if it's a member of your family, you'll
>> understand. Cause you're kewl; just like me.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>> 66 6F HCS wrote:
>>>> Now before you guys go into how street racing is only for morons, drop
>>>> it 'cause I don't wanna hear it. For the most part I agree with you
>>>> guys, but there are some occasions where ya just can't resist it.
>>>>
>>>> My first kill in the '69 Boss clone was this evening. A beautiful raven
>>>> black '67 Camaro SS with Silver stripes. Rolling start @ ~30mph. I'm
>>>> not sure if he's gonna gun it. He takes off so I jump on it too. He was
>>>> ahead by 1/2 length on start and I slowly reeled him in and pulled even
>>>> within 1/8th mile. The whole thing lasted about 10 seconds and he gave
>>>> up when he could see my rear bumper.
>>>>
>>>> Pulled into the AutoZone which is a few blocks away and pop our hoods.
>>>> (You shoulda seen the ricers come out of the woodworks then, LMAO!)
>>>> He's got a chromed out 350 stroked to 383 with a Holley 750cfm DP,
>>>> Edelbrock RPM Air-Gap intake, 4-spd manual and 3.73:1 posi 10 bolt.
>>>> Fairly close match with my 393 stroker 351W, 600cfm Edelbrock,
>>>> Edelbrock Performer intake, FMX tranny and 3.70:1 Trac-Lok 9".
>>>>
>>>> He said he runs high 13's at Bandimere. I wonder where that would put
>>>> me up on the hill???? I'm sure I could run 14's all day long with my
>>>> current setup. But 13's? I'm not so sure. I'm thinking he was fudging a
>>>> bit.
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

> wrote
> HOWEVER, I would say that as you change your combo, you are going to move
> the bottleneck somewhere else. You might indeed need that 650-700 with
> gt-40x/afr/you-name-it heads as they flow ALOT more than the D00E
> (guessing) heads you have, especially if they are not ported.

Yeah, they're ported, polished and roller rockers. This was the ultimate
head for a Windsor, that is until the aftermarket started making good heads
for the Windsor's. It's old school!
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/

<snip>He has about two rows of them and one that is only
half... never figured that one out.

WWII fighter pilots could share a kill, hence half a victory mark.
HTH...Mark M

"66 6F HCS" wrote in a message:
> I thought the same, until I went to build the motor and did some math. I'm
> 5280' above sea level in Denver and my motor will rarely see 5000+ rpm. By
> my calculations and Edelbrock's tech support, a 600 is just right. More
> would be a waste of good expensive gas. I rejetted and metered for the
> altitude. The cam is the XE262EH from Comp Cams. Split duration 262/270 so
> the motor could run more cam, but peak torque comes on at 3200rpms and
> practically flatlines to 5000!!! VERY torquey motor!!

Which way did you have to go with the jetting? Up or down? Remember, the CFM
rating is for air, not fuel. You jet the carb to match fuel to amout of air
being moved through the carb. The 600 may be correct for an application
where it is getting its air from under the hood only. If your running a
scoop that is sealed to the top of the carb, then a 600 may be too small.
I'm running a 306 (302 .030 over) 10.0:1 compression, 351W heads with roller
rockers, Torker II intake, and a Comp Cams 298/306 duration cam, and a
Holley 750 HP double pumper, that is just right. Only difference is I use a
1" spacer between carb and intake which puts the top of the carb right at
the bottom of the hood. I also made an air box that sits on top of the carb
that seals the carb to the hood, so all air is gotten from the hood scoop.
The car ran a 12.714 @ 108 mph.

> What's holding me back is my heads and exhaust right now. D0 Windsor heads
> and a 2" dual exhaust without a crossover (compliments of the previous
> owner, yech!). I'll gain about 20hp and tq once I switch up to 3" with a
> crossover through glasspacks out the side and around 30hp and tq with
> GT-40X heads. Ran those numbers on "Engine Analyzer 3.0". From the voices
> of experience, those numbers are within 3% of the real world.

It's more like 10%. But the difference doesn't amount to a whole lot. In my
application, I run 1 7/8" long tube open headers, with an evacuation system
welded in at the collectors.
> --
> Scott W.
> '66 HCS Mustang 289
> '68 Ranchero 500 302
> '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
> ThunderSnake #57
> http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/

Gary

Ok, ya gotta get better with the sarcasm or I gotta get better at spotting
it.

Dave


"Brad and Mia" > wrote in message
news:8oWje.1435741$6l.470937@pd7tw2no...
> Up here in Cowtown, AB, we have two street racing deaths in the last four
> days. One dip**** had his 70-year-old grandmother in the car when it went
> spalt, and so did she. (This is true.) Another had some dumb bitch hitting
> the back of a minivan, which rolled many times and, again, spalt. But
these
> people are so cool. I wish I could be like them and push hard on the
pedal
> on the street. That takes someone way cooler than me to do.
>
> Brad
>
> "James" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In our area a young couple and their 5 month old daughter were killed
when
> > hit at 100+ MPH by a street racer just last weekend. Of course one of
the
> > cars involved was a Mustang. The vehicle that actually hit the families
> > car was a pickup truck.
> >
> >
> > "Brad and Mia" > wrote in message
> > news:PXBje.1426502$6l.2665@pd7tw2no...
> >>
> >> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Good story. Get ready though, the PC police are likely to ambush you
> >>> for your transgressions.
> >>
> >> Oh please. Lots of people street race. I do. All the time. I mean,
> >> driving 60 in a 30, or 80 in a 40 is kewl. I know I know, someday I
might
> >> kill someone. But at least if it's a member of your family, you'll
> >> understand. Cause you're kewl; just like me.
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>> 66 6F HCS wrote:
> >>>> Now before you guys go into how street racing is only for morons,
drop
> >>>> it 'cause I don't wanna hear it. For the most part I agree with you
> >>>> guys, but there are some occasions where ya just can't resist it.
> >>>>
> >>>> My first kill in the '69 Boss clone was this evening. A beautiful
raven
> >>>> black '67 Camaro SS with Silver stripes. Rolling start @ ~30mph. I'm
> >>>> not sure if he's gonna gun it. He takes off so I jump on it too. He
was
> >>>> ahead by 1/2 length on start and I slowly reeled him in and pulled
even
> >>>> within 1/8th mile. The whole thing lasted about 10 seconds and he
gave
> >>>> up when he could see my rear bumper.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pulled into the AutoZone which is a few blocks away and pop our
hoods.
> >>>> (You shoulda seen the ricers come out of the woodworks then, LMAO!)
> >>>> He's got a chromed out 350 stroked to 383 with a Holley 750cfm DP,
> >>>> Edelbrock RPM Air-Gap intake, 4-spd manual and 3.73:1 posi 10 bolt.
> >>>> Fairly close match with my 393 stroker 351W, 600cfm Edelbrock,
> >>>> Edelbrock Performer intake, FMX tranny and 3.70:1 Trac-Lok 9".
> >>>>
> >>>> He said he runs high 13's at Bandimere. I wonder where that would put
> >>>> me up on the hill???? I'm sure I could run 14's all day long with my
> >>>> current setup. But 13's? I'm not so sure. I'm thinking he was fudging
a
> >>>> bit.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"GEB" > wrote

> Which way did you have to go with the jetting? Up or down?

Down, not enough O2 in the air to support more fuel.

Remember, the CFM
> rating is for air, not fuel. You jet the carb to match fuel to amout of
> air being moved through the carb. The 600 may be correct for an
> application where it is getting its air from under the hood only.

It is, no scoop. Just look at my website

> Only difference is I use a 1" spacer between carb and intake which puts
> the top of the carb right at the bottom of the hood.

I've got a 1" 4-holer.

> It's more like 10%. But the difference doesn't amount to a whole lot.

10%. I guess after drivetrain losses through an FMX it really wouldn't.
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/

Hmmmmm ... two vehicles in a headon collision caught a pedestrian in
between them?

On Sun, 22 May 2005 15:00:14 GMT, "Mark M"
> wrote:

><snip>He has about two rows of them and one that is only
>half... never figured that one out.
>
>WWII fighter pilots could share a kill, hence half a victory mark.
>HTH...Mark M
>

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1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
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Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

Either That or one hit him first then the second ran him over finishing the
job?

"Spike" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmmmm ... two vehicles in a headon collision caught a pedestrian in
> between them?
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 15:00:14 GMT, "Mark M"
> > wrote:
>
>><snip>He has about two rows of them and one that is only
>>half... never figured that one out.
>>
>>WWII fighter pilots could share a kill, hence half a victory mark.
>>HTH...Mark M
>>
>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

"GEB" > wrote
> Remember, the CFM rating is for air, not fuel. You jet the carb to match
> fuel to amout of air being moved through the carb. The 600 may be correct
> for an application where it is getting its air from under the hood only.
> If your running a scoop that is sealed to the top of the carb, then a 600
> may be too small.

Went back and ran the math again. A 398 CID engine (rounded to the nearest
CI) running at 90% VE and a max of 6000rpm's needs 553cfm. Even at 100% VE
it needs just 691cfm. I'll never run it to 6000 rpm. Probably a max in the
5200 range. That needs even less. 479cfm at 90% VE and 599cfm @ 100% VE. I
have 1cfm to spare even at perfect volumetric efficiency
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/

Yes, it's a possibility, and probably easier to prove which one struck
the fatal blow... LOL

On Sun, 22 May 2005 21:55:00 GMT, "Mark M"
> wrote:

>Either That or one hit him first then the second ran him over finishing the
>job?
>
>"Spike" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Hmmmmm ... two vehicles in a headon collision caught a pedestrian in
>> between them?
>>
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 15:00:14 GMT, "Mark M"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>><snip>He has about two rows of them and one that is only
>>>half... never figured that one out.
>>>
>>>WWII fighter pilots could share a kill, hence half a victory mark.
>>>HTH...Mark M
>>>
>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
>

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16