On Oct 6, 9:15*pm, Ashton Crusher > wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:13:44 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
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> > wrote:
> >On Oct 5, 1:48*pm, Ashton Crusher > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:09:17 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
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> >> > wrote:
> >> >"Brent P" > wrote in message
> >> ...
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> >> >> Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
> >> >> you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.
>
> >> >>http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834
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> >> >> "According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
> >> >> looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
> >> >> they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
> >> >> could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
> >> >> and parked.
>
> >> >I happen to have a different viewpoint of this reported incident and court
> >> >settlement...
>
> >> >That someone else gets into a parking space first happens in many crowded
> >> >places, including shopping malls and beach area parking lots. It sucks, and
> >> >is very inconsiderate, but parking is always about the one who can get into
> >> >the spot first. That said, I would also agree that courtesy should be used,
> >> >but technically it's not required by law (i.e., there is no vehicle code
> >> >that I can find that requires yielding general/non-reserved/non-restricted
> >> >parking spaces).
>
> >> >(So if someone passed me while I was waiting for a parking spot and pulled
> >> >in first, I would certainly have a very low opinion of them but then again
> >> >if someone is that inconsiderate, it's probably also not a good idea to
> >> >provoke them with angry speech or profanity. If they came in the other
> >> >direction and pulled in first, then it's somewhat debatable whether or not
> >> >they cut me off or if I was just too slow in pulling into the spot. If they
> >> >cut me off as I was in the motion of actually pulling into the parking lot,
> >> >then that's more than just being inconsiderate and borders on reckless
> >> >driving. A good long honk of the horn might be called for, but again if they
> >> >are that dangerous in their driving then it's probably also not a good idea
> >> >to provoke them with angry speech or profanity.)
>
> >> >> Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
> >> >> York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
> >> >> the documents state.
>
> >> >Certainly not the worst of profane words, but it's profanity nevertheless
> >> >and maybe could even eventually escalate to a road rage type of incident of
> >> >some type if the profanity ends up getting a followup verbal response..
>
> >> >> Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
> >> >> 5-year-old child, who were nearby.
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> >> >> Once out of his car, York was confronted by Gallegos, who told him he
> >> >> could be arrested for causing a disturbance. An argument between the two
> >> >> ensued. Gallegos called for backup, and Lucero and Martinez responded."
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> >> >If he was out of his car, presumably, he had already found another parking
> >> >space. So then cop says he *could* be arrested, and the guy doesn't leave
> >> >well enough alone and argues with the cop? How STUPID is that? Just
> >> >apologize to the officer and then let it be. (As I read it, the arrest
> >> >didn't occur until after the argument and backup was called.)
>
> >> >That means the settlement probably came down to the police officer's arrest
> >> >technique, as in had the police officer not used a technique that was
> >> >contrary to his training, it's likely that the city would have not had to
> >> >settle at all.
>
> >> I agree with you on the last part but only because we have become a
> >> police state. *There is ZERO basis for the cops to have even stuck
> >> their nose in this whole incident. *In fact, it appears there was NO
> >> incident until the cops decided they couldn't just mind their own
> >> business but simply had to throw their authority around. *It's too bad
> >> that some people may have heard the word "bitch" but that's what
> >> happens in a free society. *If you want to talk "how stupid is that"
> >> you need to direct the comment to the cops who took what was a
> >> situation that was OVER and turned it into a quarter million dollar
> >> expense for the city. *In a free society there should be no fear to
> >> telling a cop he's an ass when he's an ass. *I'm sure you are a nice
> >> guy but the attitude you display (drop trow and bend over on command
> >> of a cop) is why this country is on a downhill slide. *If you read
> >> between the lines on this you can tell that the city could care less
> >> about the cops behavior and rather then condemn his actions, as should
> >> have happened, the pass it off as a "non-standard" arrest technique.
> >> NON-Standard??? *How about ILLEGAL!! *What teh cop did is plain
> >> assault and he should have been arrested and convicted of it. *if you
> >> or I did the same thing that's what would have happened to us. *But as
> >> always, the cops are given a pass for their illegal behavior. *The
> >> only way to stop it is to sue the *******s, something most people have
> >> neither the time nor money to do.- Hide quoted text -
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> >I happen to agree that that is what _should_ be. *Reality though is
> >that you will rarely win an argument with a cop. *Pushing it will
> >usually result in a trip to the grey bar hotel. *Thus one must decide
> >just how far one wants to stick up for principles in view of the high
> >cost and probability of losing.
>
> >Harry K
>
> If no one challenges them then they win by default and the police
> state continues unabated. *And they know it's a high cost to challenge
> them, just as you do and noted above. *That's why the whole thing is
> so pernicious.

Except you draw the wrong conclusion from the reported events.

Calling names is a childish way of registering your displeasure. And
offensive. And just plain rude.

Standing up to MFFY is not a license to be MFFY in return - you still
have to be polite. Otherwise it's just two assholes yelling at one
another.

Being verbally abusive to a police officer has NEVER been a ticket to
success. Which is why you have to THINK before you try and teach
someone a lesson.

E.P.