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Old October 6th 08, 04:13 AM posted to rec.autos.driving
Harry K
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Default Just let them do it without saying a word or else.

On Oct 5, 1:48*pm, Ashton Crusher > wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:09:17 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
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> >"Brent P" > wrote in message
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> >> Why is life becoming more like grade school? Someone is a total MFFY to
> >> you, and if you object in the least you're the one that's the problem.

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> >>http://www.lcsun-news.com/news/ci_10634834

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> >> "According to court documents, York and his wife were in their car,
> >> looking for a parking spot in the Target lot on East Lohman Avenue, when
> >> they spotted a vehicle pulling out of a parking space. Before the Yorks
> >> could pull into the space, an unidentified woman whipped into the spot
> >> and parked.

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> >I happen to have a different viewpoint of this reported incident and court
> >settlement...

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> >That someone else gets into a parking space first happens in many crowded
> >places, including shopping malls and beach area parking lots. It sucks, and
> >is very inconsiderate, but parking is always about the one who can get into
> >the spot first. That said, I would also agree that courtesy should be used,
> >but technically it's not required by law (i.e., there is no vehicle code
> >that I can find that requires yielding general/non-reserved/non-restricted
> >parking spaces).

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> >(So if someone passed me while I was waiting for a parking spot and pulled
> >in first, I would certainly have a very low opinion of them but then again
> >if someone is that inconsiderate, it's probably also not a good idea to
> >provoke them with angry speech or profanity. If they came in the other
> >direction and pulled in first, then it's somewhat debatable whether or not
> >they cut me off or if I was just too slow in pulling into the spot. If they
> >cut me off as I was in the motion of actually pulling into the parking lot,
> >then that's more than just being inconsiderate and borders on reckless
> >driving. A good long honk of the horn might be called for, but again if they
> >are that dangerous in their driving then it's probably also not a good idea
> >to provoke them with angry speech or profanity.)

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> >> Gallegos, who happened to be on duty and in the parking lot, overheard
> >> York, whose car windows were down, say either "bitch" or "what a bitch,"
> >> the documents state.

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> >Certainly not the worst of profane words, but it's profanity nevertheless
> >and maybe could even eventually escalate to a road rage type of incident of
> >some type if the profanity ends up getting a followup verbal response.

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> >> Gallegos said the comment was heard by him as well as man and a
> >> 5-year-old child, who were nearby.

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> >> Once out of his car, York was confronted by Gallegos, who told him he
> >> could be arrested for causing a disturbance. An argument between the two
> >> ensued. Gallegos called for backup, and Lucero and Martinez responded."

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> >If he was out of his car, presumably, he had already found another parking
> >space. So then cop says he *could* be arrested, and the guy doesn't leave
> >well enough alone and argues with the cop? How STUPID is that? Just
> >apologize to the officer and then let it be. (As I read it, the arrest
> >didn't occur until after the argument and backup was called.)

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> >That means the settlement probably came down to the police officer's arrest
> >technique, as in had the police officer not used a technique that was
> >contrary to his training, it's likely that the city would have not had to
> >settle at all.

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> I agree with you on the last part but only because we have become a
> police state. *There is ZERO basis for the cops to have even stuck
> their nose in this whole incident. *In fact, it appears there was NO
> incident until the cops decided they couldn't just mind their own
> business but simply had to throw their authority around. *It's too bad
> that some people may have heard the word "bitch" but that's what
> happens in a free society. *If you want to talk "how stupid is that"
> you need to direct the comment to the cops who took what was a
> situation that was OVER and turned it into a quarter million dollar
> expense for the city. *In a free society there should be no fear to
> telling a cop he's an ass when he's an ass. *I'm sure you are a nice
> guy but the attitude you display (drop trow and bend over on command
> of a cop) is why this country is on a downhill slide. *If you read
> between the lines on this you can tell that the city could care less
> about the cops behavior and rather then condemn his actions, as should
> have happened, the pass it off as a "non-standard" arrest technique.
> NON-Standard??? *How about ILLEGAL!! *What teh cop did is plain
> assault and he should have been arrested and convicted of it. *if you
> or I did the same thing that's what would have happened to us. *But as
> always, the cops are given a pass for their illegal behavior. *The
> only way to stop it is to sue the *******s, something most people have
> neither the time nor money to do.- Hide quoted text -
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I happen to agree that that is what _should_ be. Reality though is
that you will rarely win an argument with a cop. Pushing it will
usually result in a trip to the grey bar hotel. Thus one must decide
just how far one wants to stick up for principles in view of the high
cost and probability of losing.

Harry K
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