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Old August 20th 06, 05:31 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
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Default 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!

In message >, "Casper" wrote:

>First off, thanks to Mike Romain and DougW for thier input and help
>previously. It's been a while, so if you do not remember, that's cool.
>Doug might remember putting up pictures I posted on his website of my
>post-accident '93 GCL (red).
>
>Here is the saga since my last post...
>
>Would you believe I still DO NOT have my jeep back? Yep! It's been
>over 9 months and my jeep is still not back in my drivveway and
>working! Originally I posted in this group about some problems I had
>starting the jeep where the "check engine" light was failing to light.
>This was after the first trip to the body shop where they put on the
>wrong rear hatch and parts!
>
>Everytime the CE light failed, there was no voltage to the fuel pump
>and no start. Everytime the CE light came on, the jeep started. So
>what happend you ask? Well, some months later, along with 4 spark plug
>changes (would you believe the master mechanics said the Bosch plugs
>are cheap and foul easily?), a Crank Position Sensor, a wiring
>harness, a coil and a computer later, it stil isn't running!


Bosch plugs are crap. If you have one of their universal fit, splice in, POS O2
sensors, throw that away too.

Has anyone verified a problem with any of the parts you replaced, or are we
using the shotgun approach?

Has the check engine light problem been resolved? If not, you need to start
there, since it indicates a problem with the PCM grounds, power feeds or the PCM
it's self.


>Right now, the jeep sometimes starts, but hard start. You can smell
>gas when it doesn't start and it appears to be flooded. The spark
>plugs are fouling in just a couple of miles of driving. If it does
>start (and sometimes it will not), it might run ok, or bad right from
>the start. Sometimes it runs ok for a short while, then gets rougher
>and rougher until it stalls out. Occasionally, if it doesn't start
>right off the first key turn, if you quickly press the gas pedal just
>a hair, it will start (hard).
>
>So the dealership it went to so it could be put on the MDS machine
>says it's the CPS and somewhat low fuel pressure, but they don't tell
>me the no longer use the MDS until after the diagnostics. WTF?


First, MDS doesn't even exist anymore. Second, even if it did, it wouldn't do
you any good. You need somebody who knows what he's doing to diagnose it.

>
>The original mechanic (who replaced the CPS and PCM) says he can't
>figure it out, but the plugs foul (cheap Bosch!) and seems flooded.
>
>Now I am not a genius, but my thinking here is if I brough my jeep to
>you and it was running fine, and I got it back running bad or not
>running at all, and not once, but twice and worse each time, does it
>not make sense to look at what you REPLACED???
>
>My thinking here is MAYBE the junk yard PCM you replaced my original
>with is either bad or improperly programed. Maybe for a V8 or
>different year? Or maybe it cannot communicate with a sensor??
>
>So... I gotta know what you all think of this saga. Cause I have to
>tell you, if it's not resolved soon or my vehicle replaced by the
>insurance company (guy who rear-eneded me) soon, I may go postal!
>
>Any HO's on the problem(s)? I miss my jeep!!!!


As I see it, you have 2 choices.

1) Take it to somebody who knows what he's doing.

2) Go postal.

>
>`Casper

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