On 2015-01-04 23:22:06 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said:

> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2015-01-04 22:43:11 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said:
>>
>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>>>>> Humble Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your radicalism
>>>>>> doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non
>>>>>> existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly
>>>>>> dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast
>>>>>> trains as well. What's next?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Carmageddon!"
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because
>>>>> we often are both cyclists and drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and the
>>>>> one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you
>>>>> should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's going
>>>>> on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken sidewalks.
>>>>> You don't know about corruption.
>>>>
>>>> More completely bull****.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No, we
>>>>> don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used for
>>>>> deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption.
>>>>
>>>> I KNOW you receive free facilities.
>>>>
>>>> Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use?
>>>
>>> "Eliminate car use?"
>>>
>>> I tell you drivers tend to be radical. I want to retire the bad drivers
>>> so the other forms of transportation as well as the good drivers can
>>> enjoy more room.
>>
>> I want to require all drivers to be good drivers... ...or lose their
>> right to drive.
>
> Well, we need those SPEED CAMERAS to start separating the good drivers
> from the bad drivers.

No. We don't.

Speed cameras tell you precisely nothing about whether some is a good
driver or not.

>
> Hint: Good drivers don't go speeding on city streets. They should have
> a working passing lane on freeways.

If by "speeding" you mean "exceeding the posted limit", then you can
make every driver into a "bad" driver simply by lowering the limit to a
ridiculous number.

The simple fact is that traffic engineers and scientists recommend
setting limits at the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic speed. A
limit set below that will result in many good drivers exceeding it.