On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:21:57 -0700, Spike > wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:24:22 -0700, Ashton Crusher >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:39:29 -0700, Spike > wrote:
>>
>>>Or Clinton's "I never had sex with that woman...."
>>>
>>
>>When Clinton Lied, 100,000 people didn't die.
>>
>>
>>> It would be about as worthwhile as Bush's illegal and
>>>immoral terror attack on Iraq, and the manufacture's
>>>claims of better performance and efficiency are about
>>>as honest as Bush's claims of freedom and democracy.
>>> HTH!
>The cop in me always screams whenever I hear unsubstantiated claims
>made; whether by attorneys, or witnesses; to a judge or jury. Claims
>such as this are submitted by you and others before the public who act
>as judge and or jury... desiring to influence the verdict; in this
>case history's verdict. Soooo.....
>
>Ah, but the proof is in the "EVIDENCE". Clinton admitted he lied, as
>you acknowledged. That's evidence of both immoral and illegal
>wrong-doing. As yet, where is the "PROOF" that Bush did anything
>immoral or illegal? It's so easy to say things which you can't prove,
>and which do not need to be proven in order to damage someone's
>reputation. .
>
>Bring me PROOF which can be used to prosecute or impeach and I'll
>gladly stand with you, but let's not turn into a lynch mob society
>where we convict without evidence. Let's stick to the "PROVABLE FACTS"
>and not spread personal views held up as fact.
>

The proof has been all around you for several years. You obviously
choose not to see it.


>Before making unsubstantiated claims, ask of yourself, if YOU did
>something you believed was right, morally and legally, and there was
>no "evidence" of wrong doing on your part, would you want people going
>around making claims that 100,000 people died because you did
>something immoral and illegal? Would you enjoy having your family and
>friends hearing such allegations against you? Your children being
>taunted in school?
>
>IF you just happen to be correct, then every soldier, sailor, and
>airman involved is also responsible for committing immoral and illegal
>acts resulting in the deaths of 100,000. So, too, is every Senator and
>Congressman who supported the President's actions, no matter what they
>use to justify that support, nor what they tell the voters today. It
>follows that every citizen who voted those Senators, Congressmen, and
>the President into office is responsible because....
>
> NO MAN IS AN ISLAND
>"All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
>one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
>language; and every chapter must be so translated...As therefore the
>bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but
>upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much
>more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness....No man is
>an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I
>am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the
>bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
> John Donne
> Meditation XVII
>This famous meditation of Donne's puts forth two essential ideas which
>are representative of the Renaissance era in which it was written:
>
>The idea that people are not isolated from one another, but that
>mankind is interconnected; and The vivid awareness of mortality that
>seems a natural outgrowth of a time when death was the constant
>companion of life. Donne brings these two themes together to affirm
>that any one man's death diminishes all of mankind, since all mankind
>is connected; yet that death itself is not so much to be feared as it
>at first seems.
>
>http://isu.indstate.edu/ilnprof/ENG451/ISLAND/
>
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>On a lighter note....
>"Ask not for whom the bell tolls; and you pay only the direct dial
>rate."
> The Power of Positive Pessimism
>Spike
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>
>"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
>I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
> -JFK Inaugural Address