On 08/21/2013 08:46 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 8/21/2013 10:11 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/21/2013 05:52 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>>>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>>>>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>>>>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>>>>
>>>> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't
>>>> for
>>>> "marketing". just like bmw.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>>>>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>>>>
>>>> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
>>>> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
>>>> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>>>>
>>>> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
>>>> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
>>>> wrong with electric in principle.
>>>
>>> You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
>>> feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and that's a
>>> pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
>>> uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
>>> appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
>>> car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
>>> Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
>>> the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
>>> makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
>>> cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
>>> differentiated from the Japanese competition.
>>>
>>> Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next car if
>>> the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are going to
>>> be making in the future.
>>>
>>> nate
>>
>> quitcherbitching and buy an evo.
>>
>>
> I wish the Japanese still made cars like this one:
> <http://chrisoncars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3716724671_f0b9f008cb.jpg>.
>
>

these things are interesting too:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_AE86>
and let's not forget the datsun 2000's

but the crx is the one that still rocks my world.


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