On 2015-01-06 02:10:33 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:

> On Monday, January 5, 2015 3:04:05 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2015-01-05 05:49:53 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
>>
>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 12:27:58 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>>> Humble Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 11:00:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-01-05 03:43:52 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:28:50 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-01-04 23:22:06 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-01-04 22:43:11 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>>>>>>>>>>>> Humble Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your radicalism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non
>>>>>>>>>>>>> existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trains as well. What's next?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Carmageddon!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because
>>>>>>>>>>>> we often are both cyclists and drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you
>>>>>>>>>>>> should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's going
>>>>>>>>>>>> on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know about corruption.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More completely bull****.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used for
>>>>>>>>>>>> deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I KNOW you receive free facilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Eliminate car use?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I tell you drivers tend to be radical. I want to retire the bad drivers
>>>>>>>>>> so the other forms of transportation as well as the good drivers can
>>>>>>>>>> enjoy more room.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to require all drivers to be good drivers... ...or lose their
>>>>>>>>> right to drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, we need those SPEED CAMERAS to start separating the good drivers
>>>>>>>> from the bad drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. We don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speed cameras tell you precisely nothing about whether some is a good
>>>>>>> driver or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hint: Good drivers don't go speeding on city streets. They should have
>>>>>>>> a working passing lane on freeways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If by "speeding" you mean "exceeding the posted limit", then you can
>>>>>>> make every driver into a "bad" driver simply by lowering the limit to a
>>>>>>> ridiculous number.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The simple fact is that traffic engineers and scientists recommend
>>>>>>> setting limits at the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic speed. A
>>>>>>> limit set below that will result in many good drivers exceeding it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excuses, excuses, excuses. The best drivers --the Germans-- coexist
>>>>>> with cameras. They go fast where they can.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you can co-exist with a lot of things...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...that doesn't make it optimal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speed cameras aren't about improving safety. You pay the ticket, but
>>>>> you don't get any points on your license.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hence, you don't get removed from the driver pool unless you are very
>>>>> unlucky and poor.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you boasted of not having tickets in the last 10 years and all of
>>>> a sudden the speed cameras worry you. What gives?
>>>
>>> Proper bike lanes:
>>>
>>> http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb219ebe1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's not America, not even Europe. That's Ecuador, a country that
>>> used to be a Banana Republic. One of the trademarks of Banana Republic
>>> is corruption.
>>>
>>> The mafia in Sicily invested in highways that remained empty. That's
>>> how they work: Construction, Destruction, Corruption.
>>
>> Sorry, but correlation is not causation.
>
> You want corruption to come with a tag?

I want you to present a credible explanation of why some traffic
barriers must equate to corruption.

>
> http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/a...psgcml698j.jpg
>
>
> But corruption is as evident as the tire markings on this "thing"
> --whatever that is.

Sorry, but no. Tire markings don't make the construction of that
barrier corrupt.