On 2015-01-05 05:49:53 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:

> On Monday, January 5, 2015 12:27:58 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 11:00:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-05 03:43:52 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:28:50 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-01-04 23:22:06 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-01-04 22:43:11 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>>>>>>>>>> Humble Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your radicalism
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non
>>>>>>>>>>> existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly
>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast
>>>>>>>>>>> trains as well. What's next?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Carmageddon!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because
>>>>>>>>>> we often are both cyclists and drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and the
>>>>>>>>>> one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you
>>>>>>>>>> should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's going
>>>>>>>>>> on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken sidewalks.
>>>>>>>>>> You don't know about corruption.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More completely bull****.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No, we
>>>>>>>>>> don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used for
>>>>>>>>>> deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I KNOW you receive free facilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Eliminate car use?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tell you drivers tend to be radical. I want to retire the bad drivers
>>>>>>>> so the other forms of transportation as well as the good drivers can
>>>>>>>> enjoy more room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to require all drivers to be good drivers... ...or lose their
>>>>>>> right to drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, we need those SPEED CAMERAS to start separating the good drivers
>>>>>> from the bad drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. We don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speed cameras tell you precisely nothing about whether some is a good
>>>>> driver or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hint: Good drivers don't go speeding on city streets. They should have
>>>>>> a working passing lane on freeways.
>>>>>
>>>>> If by "speeding" you mean "exceeding the posted limit", then you can
>>>>> make every driver into a "bad" driver simply by lowering the limit to a
>>>>> ridiculous number.
>>>>>
>>>>> The simple fact is that traffic engineers and scientists recommend
>>>>> setting limits at the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic speed. A
>>>>> limit set below that will result in many good drivers exceeding it.
>>>>
>>>> Excuses, excuses, excuses. The best drivers --the Germans-- coexist
>>>> with cameras. They go fast where they can.
>>>
>>> And you can co-exist with a lot of things...
>>>
>>> ...that doesn't make it optimal.
>>>
>>> Speed cameras aren't about improving safety. You pay the ticket, but
>>> you don't get any points on your license.
>>>
>>> Hence, you don't get removed from the driver pool unless you are very
>>> unlucky and poor.
>>>
>>
>> Well, you boasted of not having tickets in the last 10 years and all of
>> a sudden the speed cameras worry you. What gives?
>
> Proper bike lanes:
>
> http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb219ebe1.jpg
>
>
> That's not America, not even Europe. That's Ecuador, a country that
> used to be a Banana Republic. One of the trademarks of Banana Republic
> is corruption.
>
> The mafia in Sicily invested in highways that remained empty. That's
> how they work: Construction, Destruction, Corruption.

Sorry, but correlation is not causation.