On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:29:39 GMT, "George Conklin"
> wrote:
>
>"Bill Baka" > wrote in message
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>> George Conklin wrote:
>> > "Bill Baka" > wrote in message
>> > t...
>> >> donquijote1954 wrote:
>> >>> On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954" >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
>problem.
>> >>>>> And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
>> >>>>> little furry animals are here to stay.
>> >>>>> There are two versions of it...
>> >>>>> bike:
>> >>>>> http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
>> >>>>> and bus:
>> >>>>> http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
>> >>>> OK, how is the bus not polluting?
>> >>> You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
>> >>> technologies and some political will to make it happen...
>> >>>
>> >>> Heaven Help Bus
>> >>> A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future
>> >>>
>> >>> The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future, and
>> >>> it works.
>> >>>
>> >>> The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
>> >>> Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we cruise
>> >>> through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown, picking
>> >>> up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
>> >>> would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years ago
>> >>> are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the exhaust
>> >>> pipe: a trickle of water.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
>> >>> could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
>> >>> replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
>> >>> some other technologies out there.
>> >>>
>> >>> We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
>> >>>
>> >> Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
>> >> make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
>> >> It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
>> >> or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
>> >> Bill Baka
>> >
>> > Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
>> > efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.
>> >
>> >
>> Only if nobody rides them. When I was a kid in the Chicago area I could
>> go anywhere on a weekend with a travel buddy of mine. We took the train
>> into downtown, then the 'el' ( hard to explain), and over/underground
>> subway system. Then there were electric trolley buses, and finally
>> regular buses to get us within walking distance.
>> And, yes, any one of those modes of transportation sucks fuel big time
>> if nobody rides them. If they are full they are a good thing. SUV's and
>> single occupant soccer moms have messed up the equation.
>> Bill Baka
>
>Actually a SUV would use about the same fuel as a current transit bus.
>
George, while SUVs are fuel guzzlers, they still get 2 - 3 times the
miles per gallon as a transit bus. The question is whether the
transit bus average loading is 3 or more times greater than the
average loading of an SUV in similar circumstances (urban area driving
only and dead head trips included). Any time there is carpooling
there probably is either dead head mileage or circuity, sometimes
both.