On 01/02/2010 09:27 AM, Guy wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:11:21 -0800, jim > wrote:
>
>> On 01/01/2010 09:35 PM, Guy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:36:52 -0800, jim > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/01/2010 06:23 PM, Guy wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:14:37 -0800, jim > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/01/2010 04:54 PM, JRE wrote:
>>>>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>>>>> jim > wrote in
>>>>>>>> t:
>>>>>>>>> On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
>>>>>>>>>> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
>>>>>>>>> not infallible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ain't that the truth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
>>>>>>>> managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening
>>>>>>>> the plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by
>>>>>>>> hanging from it, as monkeys do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The
>>>>>>>> plug is not stripped.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The faithfully torqued (with a torque wrench, to spec, every time,
>>>>>>> without exception, since the car was new) drain plug in my '91 Accord
>>>>>>> stripped about a year and a half ago. Pretty annoying...and very
>>>>>>> unusual. But that's why they make self-tapping replacements, I suppose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Note: I recently got a new torque wrench and checked it against the old
>>>>>>> one. They're within a foot-pound of each other.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [much to the delight of "crv guy" no doubt] i actually disregard factory
>>>>>> oil pan plug torque. 45N.m is very high for something with a soft
>>>>>> aluminum crush washer under it. i use ~30N.m and have never had a
>>>>>> thread strip, nor a plug loosen or leak. replicate at your own risk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Jim for your honesty<smile>. At least we can agree here.
>>>>
>>>> so /you/ did the math too??? somehow, i find that hard to believe.
>>>
>>> Wow, you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't.
>>> I find that NOT hard to believe.
>>
>> "you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't"???
>>
>> on the basis that you're evidencing an english language "garbage out"
>> problem, there must also be english language "garbage in" problem with
>> you too. which explains everything!
>
>
> Thanks for giving me the best word to describe what I think of your
> opinion now... "garbage". People disagree but when some people carry
> on the way you do, they have something wrong. Why not make yourself
> happy and PLONK me so I don't have to see your "garbage" posts any
> longer.

i have a better solution: you stop flaunting your willful ignorance,
then see what kind a reaction you get. think about it. if you can.