On 01/01/2010 09:35 PM, Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:36:52 -0800, jim > wrote:
>
>> On 01/01/2010 06:23 PM, Guy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:14:37 -0800, jim > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/01/2010 04:54 PM, JRE wrote:
>>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>>> jim > wrote in
>>>>>> t:
>>>>>>> On 01/01/2010 12:38 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
>>>>>>>> before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're
>>>>>>> not infallible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ain't that the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
>>>>>> managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening
>>>>>> the plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by
>>>>>> hanging from it, as monkeys do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The
>>>>>> plug is not stripped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The faithfully torqued (with a torque wrench, to spec, every time,
>>>>> without exception, since the car was new) drain plug in my '91 Accord
>>>>> stripped about a year and a half ago. Pretty annoying...and very
>>>>> unusual. But that's why they make self-tapping replacements, I suppose.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Note: I recently got a new torque wrench and checked it against the old
>>>>> one. They're within a foot-pound of each other.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [much to the delight of "crv guy" no doubt] i actually disregard factory
>>>> oil pan plug torque. 45N.m is very high for something with a soft
>>>> aluminum crush washer under it. i use ~30N.m and have never had a
>>>> thread strip, nor a plug loosen or leak. replicate at your own risk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Jim for your honesty<smile>. At least we can agree here.
>>
>> so /you/ did the math too??? somehow, i find that hard to believe.
>
> Wow, you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't.
> I find that NOT hard to believe.

"you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't"???

on the basis that you're evidencing an english language "garbage out"
problem, there must also be english language "garbage in" problem with
you too. which explains everything!