"Private" > wrote in message
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>
>> The engine with all it's solidly mounted accessories is a huge sounding
>> board. Sounds are pretty readily coupled throughout the package which
>> makes localizing a bit difficult.
>>
>
> You need to try a proper diaphragm type stethoscope to realize just how
> good they really are. The screwdriver in the ear can be helpful as is the
> length of hose, but IMHO, neither come close to a diaphragm stethoscope.
>
> Just my .02


And a good .02 it is. I'll keep my eyes open for one.

I'm still looking to buy one of the funky tools to remove the reusable bands
around all the intake runners so I can service the thermostat. It's buried
way under the intake plumbing.