On 28 Dec 2005 06:56:07 -0800, "Allen Seth Dunn" > wrote:

>
>Dave Head wrote:
>> On 27 Dec 2005 19:18:26 -0800, "Sir Ray" > wrote:
>>
>> >Not exactly what this has to do with driving (well, except for the slow
>> >introduction of hybrids).
>>
>> Driving produces the major volume of greenhouse gases and is most likely to be
>> attacked by the environmental extremists in an effort to "do something" about
>> global warming.
>
>That's bull ****. Driving makes up a very small percentage of
>greenhouse gasses. What makes up the vast majority of greenhouse
>gasses? Emissions from Volcanoes and yes, animals.

Yeah, OK, I can see that - I meant man-made emissions. Volconoes are not
subject to pinheaded attempts at legislation to curb their emissions and so
therefore aren't worth mentioning. As for animals, they contribute no new
carbon to the atmosphere because the carbon the produce was already taken from
the atmosphere when the vegetation they ate processed it into plant matter.

>> >OK, the US can pass Kyoto only when the third world manufacturing
>> >centres (China, India, Malayasia, Indonesia, and so on) sign on, and
>> >enforce it too. Until then...
>>
>> Right. Just 'cuz its India or China doesn't make the emissions any less
>> relevant to the global warming problem (if you accept that there is a problem
>> and/or that we actually have the power to do something about it.)
>
>Those third world manufacturing centers are growing at a fast pace. If
>the United States and other industrialized, non-third world countries
>have to cut emissions, doesn't it only make sense to expect developing
>countries to stop the problem in their countries BEFORE the problems in
>those countries are greatly multiplied?

Yep.

>If Kyoto is so correct about
>the dangers of global warming, that treaty should pressure EVERY
>country to reduce emissions, not just the ones where heavy industry has
>been around the longest. To do otherwise, is hypocritical.

Yep. But the objective of the Kyoto treaty was to damage the US industrial
base even further, and hamper our transportation. Other countries are jealous
of our natural resources, capability to use them, etc., and figure that they
can use the red herring of attempting to stop a natural process to weaken the
US economically.

Dave Head

>> >(heh, wouldn't it be cool if the widespread adoption of diesel hybrids
>> >(low green house gas producing, but, alas, right now high particulates)
>> >brought down the US emission levels...)
>>
>> Yep. It'd be great, and I think it'll happen, as the diesels, in the high-30's
>> of mpgs, are likely to be sold like hotcakes, off and on, as the price of gas
>> goes over $3.00 a gallon again and again.
>>
>> Dave HEad