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they don't control anything... Al was right, even vw was wrong... Just
noticed while scanning a factory owner's manual for a friend that VW
described the engine as Air cooling by fan, thermostat controlled... odd...

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On Jul 6, 1:27*pm, "Joey Tribiani" > wrote:
> they don't control anything... Al was right, even vw was wrong... *Just
> noticed while scanning a factory owner's manual for a friend that VW
> described the engine as Air cooling by fan, thermostat controlled... odd....

If you want to get picky, it's also controlled by the driver's right
foot. Eh?

Max

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"Max" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 6, 1:27 pm, "Joey Tribiani" > wrote:
> they don't control anything... Al was right, even vw was wrong... Just
> noticed while scanning a factory owner's manual for a friend that VW
> described the engine as Air cooling by fan, thermostat controlled...
> odd...

>If you want to get picky, it's also controlled by the driver's right
>foot. Eh?

>Max

nah, the thermostat still controls the coolant flow.. if you have a
deficiency in the flow department, that is beyond the control of the
thermostat... even further down your turn, if you remove the belt, even the
driver's foot is taken out of the loop...

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On Jul 7, 9:37*pm, "Joey Tribiani" > wrote:
> "Max" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jul 6, 1:27 pm, "Joey Tribiani" > wrote:
>
> > they don't control anything... Al was right, even vw was wrong... Just
> > noticed while scanning a factory owner's manual for a friend that VW
> > described the engine as Air cooling by fan, thermostat controlled...
> > odd...
> >If you want to get picky, it's also controlled by the driver's right
> >foot. Eh?
> >Max
>
> nah, the thermostat still controls the coolant flow.. if you have a
> deficiency in the flow department, that is beyond the control of the
> thermostat... even further down your turn, if you remove the belt, even the
> driver's foot is taken out of the loop...

A buddy of mine observed an engine on a dyno where the thermostat was
opening then closing as each pull was performed.

Max

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"Max" > wrote in message
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>A buddy of mine observed an engine on a dyno where the thermostat was
>opening then closing as each pull was performed.

>Max

absolutley, but that is due to waste heat from the engine being placed under
load on the dyno, not by the position of the throttle... the two may be
linked, but they are not absolute.. for example an(our aircooled engines)
can, and will, put off more waste heat in a higher gear at low rpms with the
throttle at X position than it will in a proper gear that puts the engine in
it's most efficient range at the same throttle position... and to tie this
back into our dear friend Al's original post, that is why they recommend
loading and heating up the engine in a high gear at lower rpm's to seat the
rings...

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On Jul 9, 1:38*pm, "Joey Tribiani" > wrote:
> "Max" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> *>A buddy of mine observed an engine on a dyno where the thermostat was
>
> >opening then closing as each pull was performed.
> >Max
>
> absolutley, but that is due to waste heat from the engine being placed under
> load on the dyno, not by the position of the throttle... the two may be
> linked, but they are not absolute.. for example an(our aircooled engines)
> can, and will, put off more waste heat in a higher gear at low rpms with the
> throttle at X position than it will in a proper gear that puts the engine in
> it's most efficient range at the same throttle position... and to tie this
> back into our dear friend Al's original post, that is why they recommend
> loading and heating up the engine in a high gear at lower rpm's to seat the
> rings...

Of course. My point was that the thermostat really can _regulate_
engine temp (within a certain range), not just open and stay open like
many people seem to think.

My comment about the throttle earlier was to point out that the amount
of heat being generated is influenced strongly by how hard the
operator insists on pushing the engine. Meaning that if the engine is
getting too hot, slowing down will probably help.

Al? Oh yeah...

IGoogle is showing this as a new thread. I missed that you meant to
continue the previous one (that Jan likes so much). :D

Max

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"Max" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 9, 1:38 pm, "Joey Tribiani" > wrote:
> "Max" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >A buddy of mine observed an engine on a dyno where the thermostat was
>
> >opening then closing as each pull was performed.
> >Max
>
> absolutley, but that is due to waste heat from the engine being placed
> under
> load on the dyno, not by the position of the throttle... the two may be
> linked, but they are not absolute.. for example an(our aircooled engines)
> can, and will, put off more waste heat in a higher gear at low rpms with
> the
> throttle at X position than it will in a proper gear that puts the engine
> in
> it's most efficient range at the same throttle position... and to tie this
> back into our dear friend Al's original post, that is why they recommend
> loading and heating up the engine in a high gear at lower rpm's to seat
> the
> rings...

>Of course. My point was that the thermostat really can _regulate_
>engine temp (within a certain range), not just open and stay open like
>many people seem to think.

and that is no different than my statements in the "other" thread...

>My comment about the throttle earlier was to point out that the amount
>of heat being generated is influenced strongly by how hard the
>operator insists on pushing the engine. Meaning that if the engine is
>getting too hot, slowing down will probably help.

I agree

>Al? Oh yeah...

>IGoogle is showing this as a new thread. I missed that you meant to
>continue the previous one (that Jan likes so much). :D

I didn't mean to continue that thread, this was intended as a stand alone
thread, just in response to the expert information given by Al in the
"other" thread...

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Speaking of thermostats, anyone know where to find new ones?
Can you still get the new coil type Brazilian thermostats? Anyone tried
those yet?

Anyone know where to find a thermostat for a '31 Buick? :D
Same principle... sits behind the radiator (outside of it, not in water)
and opens/closes shutters behind the rad to control (yikes!) air flow
through the rad.

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"Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
...
> Speaking of thermostats, anyone know where to find new ones?
> Can you still get the new coil type Brazilian thermostats? Anyone tried
> those yet?
>
i never tried one of the newer style, and if I'm not mistaken I read that
they were discontinued also...

> Anyone know where to find a thermostat for a '31 Buick? :D
> Same principle... sits behind the radiator (outside of it, not in water)
> and opens/closes shutters behind the rad to control (yikes!) air flow
> through the rad.

hmm.. interesting... Can't help ya there either...

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> i never tried one of the newer style, and if I'm not mistaken I read that
> they were discontinued also...

I have a couple OG style stats in reserve. There will come a time when
even the used ones are gone.

Max