Should this trooper be fired?
 

From the Hartford Courant

Trooper Suspended 15 Days

Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate

By TRACY GORDON FOX
Courant Staff Writer

March 22, 2005

A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
"too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
last August.

State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.

"The investigation revealed inappropriate and unprofessional
language," said Sgt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman.
"The investigation revealed that despite the comments, state
police and emergency service arrived promptly."

But state police Commissioner Leonard C. Boyle said residents
expect more from the state police when they call for help.

"When someone reports a serious incident on a 911 call,
the person receiving that call has an obligation to receive
information, convey information back to that person and do
so in a respectful manner," Boyle said Monday.

Sawyer's family hired a lawyer, complained to state police,
and requested the tape of the incident after learning what
the trooper had said to Sawyer's friend. No lawsuit has been
filed. Sawyer's family could not be reached for comment Monday.

Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
investigation for several offenses, including conduct
unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
of decorum, police said.

The trooper hung up on the caller because he apparently
thought he had received several other calls about the same
incident. But Boyle said the investigation showed that the
call from the friend was the first Troop E received for that
accident. It also showed that Peasley was rude to a second
caller who reported the accident, telling him Sawyer
"shouldn't have been riding that way."

Union officials said they will fight to reduce the punishment,
especially considering that Peasley, an 18-year veteran, has
a good record and had not previously been in trouble.

"It's a tragedy. But the discipline imposed is extremely
harsh and not warranted," union President David LeBlanc
said Monday.

LeBlanc said Peasley and the one civilian dispatcher on
duty on the evening of Aug. 17 were swamped with calls from
another accident and several other incidents.

LeBlanc said the incident illustrates the stress on
dispatchers and troopers who man the desks at the busiest
barracks.

"It's out of control, and the agency has refused to
staff it appropriately," LeBlanc said.

Boyle said the department is looking into ways to better
handle 911 calls.

"In this instance, the investigation established the
trooper had the opportunity and should have taken and
provided more information," Boyle said.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:25:35 -0500, Car > wrote:

>
>From the Hartford Courant
>
>Trooper Suspended 15 Days
>
>Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate
>
>By TRACY GORDON FOX
>Courant Staff Writer
>
>March 22, 2005
>
>A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
>for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
>"too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
>last August.
>
>State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
>affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
>death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
>injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.

Given the information in the remainder of the article, I'd really love
to know how they came to that conclusion.

One possible explanation. The cops were all tied up with something
else and it wouldn't have mattered if there was even a 911 system as
opposed to simply calling the police department's main number. In
fact, it may not have mattered if they had called Domino's for pizza
and waited for it to be delivered before they called 911.

But yes, I think he should be fired. Even if his actions did not
result in slower response, they certainly could have.

"Car" > wrote in message ...
>
> From the Hartford Courant
>
> Trooper Suspended 15 Days
>
> Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate
>
> By TRACY GORDON FOX
> Courant Staff Writer
>
> March 22, 2005
>
> A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
> for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
> "too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
> last August.
>
> State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
> affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
> death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
> injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.
>
> "The investigation revealed inappropriate and unprofessional
> language," said Sgt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman.
> "The investigation revealed that despite the comments, state
> police and emergency service arrived promptly."
>
> But state police Commissioner Leonard C. Boyle said residents
> expect more from the state police when they call for help.
>
> "When someone reports a serious incident on a 911 call,
> the person receiving that call has an obligation to receive
> information, convey information back to that person and do
> so in a respectful manner," Boyle said Monday.
>
> Sawyer's family hired a lawyer, complained to state police,
> and requested the tape of the incident after learning what
> the trooper had said to Sawyer's friend. No lawsuit has been
> filed. Sawyer's family could not be reached for comment Monday.
>
> Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
> barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
> investigation for several offenses, including conduct
> unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
> of decorum, police said.
>
> The trooper hung up on the caller because he apparently
> thought he had received several other calls about the same
> incident. But Boyle said the investigation showed that the
> call from the friend was the first Troop E received for that
> accident. It also showed that Peasley was rude to a second
> caller who reported the accident, telling him Sawyer
> "shouldn't have been riding that way."
>
> Union officials said they will fight to reduce the punishment,
> especially considering that Peasley, an 18-year veteran, has
> a good record and had not previously been in trouble.
>
> "It's a tragedy. But the discipline imposed is extremely
> harsh and not warranted," union President David LeBlanc
> said Monday.
>
> LeBlanc said Peasley and the one civilian dispatcher on
> duty on the evening of Aug. 17 were swamped with calls from
> another accident and several other incidents.
>
> LeBlanc said the incident illustrates the stress on
> dispatchers and troopers who man the desks at the busiest
> barracks.
>
> "It's out of control, and the agency has refused to
> staff it appropriately," LeBlanc said.
>
> Boyle said the department is looking into ways to better
> handle 911 calls.
>
> "In this instance, the investigation established the
> trooper had the opportunity and should have taken and
> provided more information," Boyle said.

Damn right he should be fired. While the officer may have a point about the
place being understaffed, it is still no excuse. If I tried to that in my
grocery clerk job, as soon as word got out to a manager from the customer,
I'd be hauled into the manager's office to try to explain myself, and then
most likely get my ass fired almost certainly regardless of my explanation
(OT, that type of thing has almost happened to me too many times, and I
really got out of the customer service biz).

Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
with that record, just based on a comment.

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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>with that record, just based on a comment.

On one hand, you're consistent! <G>

On the other hand, I agree - the bunch around here is very, very quick to have
people fired or say that a person shouldn't be driving. Leave it up to this
bunch, and _nobody_ would be qualified to drive due to some innocuous minutia
about their driving that they simply don't like.

Dave Head

Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate. Even assuming it's true
that his completely disrespectful behavior did not adversely affect response
time, it's still totally inappropriate. The person on the other end of that
phone pays his salary, as do we all.

Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve the
public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every single
person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person of
something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost respect
and courtesy.

Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
this pig working on the force.

Cory

"jaybird" > wrote in message
...
> Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
> disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
> with that record, just based on a comment.

Nothing on his record for 18 years? That doesn't mean a thing for a cop.
Cops do awful things all the time and they do not get reported on their
record. It's one of the perks of being a cop, part of job security. You are
above the system, to a great extent a cop can do whatever he pleases and
receive no punitive response or corrective actions taken against him. It's
disgusting that these pigs have no respect.

Cory

"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
...
> "jaybird" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>> disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any
>> profession
>> with that record, just based on a comment.
>
> Nothing on his record for 18 years? That doesn't mean a thing for a cop.
> Cops do awful things all the time and they do not get reported on their
> record. It's one of the perks of being a cop, part of job security. You
> are
> above the system, to a great extent a cop can do whatever he pleases and
> receive no punitive response or corrective actions taken against him. It's
> disgusting that these pigs have no respect.

That's not exactly true. 18 years is a long time to go with no disciplinary
action if you're not doing things the right way. I know you'd like to
believe that cops are pieces of s$%t, but cops are held to a much higher
standard these days.

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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>
> While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
> that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
> the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
> article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
> well.
>
> This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
> an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
> it magically disappear after 15 days. I predict this officer will have
> future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
> enough of them he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
> retire or something).

It's possible, but we don't really know that. I'm sure that most of us here
are generally nice and respectful to others but we have our bad days. I've
made comments before that I probably shouldn't have, as most of us have
done, but that doesn't automatically make it normal practice.

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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
...
> Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
> agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate. Even assuming it's true
> that his completely disrespectful behavior did not adversely affect
> response
> time, it's still totally inappropriate. The person on the other end of
> that
> phone pays his salary, as do we all.

If he wants his fraction of a penny that he's contributed to that guy's pay,
then I'm sure the cop would be glad to give it back.

>
> Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve
> the
> public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every single
> person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person
> of
> something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost respect
> and courtesy.

Respect and courtesy are very important, but everyone is jumping to
conclusions here. How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.

>
> Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
> this pig working on the force.

We still have to deal with assholes like you who are anti-cop so it's only
fair that we get one or two on our side. :o) It sounds to me like he's a
pretty good cop if he's worked for 18 years with nothing negative in his
file.

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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Dave Head" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>
> On one hand, you're consistent! <G>

I asked myself why that is and came up with a pretty good answer. There are
a lot of stories that come through these groups where cops have screwed up.
You can read the story and say "yeah, that guy f#$cked up". Then there are
stories like this one where someone got their feelings hurt. Well, boo
freakin hoo. Suck it up like a man and move on with your life; you'll be
ok. Then of course, there are the ones in the middle where we don't quite
have all of the information so we go back and forth for weeks with people
making up crap and assumptions the whole way. A good personal example is of
a complaint that came in the other day. Some guy wrote a letter complaining
to internal affairs that he received two citations and the cop was rude to
him. IA wrote their official report and sent it to the supervisor to
investigate. The supervisor calls the violator and asks him how the cop was
rude. The answer he got was "well, he wrote me two tickets". "Uh..... ok,
that's something you'll have to see a judge about. Tell me how the cop was
rude". "Well if he hadn't written me two tickets I never would've
complained". "Ok, sir, you have a nice day". Case closed, unfounded.
That's why stories like this bug the hell out of me.

>
> On the other hand, I agree - the bunch around here is very, very quick to
> have
> people fired or say that a person shouldn't be driving. Leave it up to
> this
> bunch, and _nobody_ would be qualified to drive due to some innocuous
> minutia
> about their driving that they simply don't like.

Apparently they can all be better cops than the ones currently employed too.

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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
> >Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve
the
> >public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every
single
> >person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person
of
> >something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost
respect
> >and courtesy.
> >
> >Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
> >this pig working on the force.
>
> Your hypocrisy is dripping off my screen and onto my keyboard.
>
> So let me ask you a question, Cory: why do you expect courtesy and
> respect from the police when you refuse to extend thst same courtesy
> and respect to them? Do you believe that paying the officer's salary
> entitles you to treat them with disrespect and hatred? I'm no cop, but
> I can easily imagine what effect 18 years of dealing with this kind of
> irrational cop-hatred would have on a person.

I did not come into this world hating cops. I used to like them, admire
them, and look up to them. Hell, I used to want to be a police officer. It
was a position I admired and thought very highly of. Protecting people,
keeping people safe, in general making the world a better place. Not anymore
though, as I've realized that's not what being a cop is about... Not by a
long shot.
I have found that good cops are usually in very high crime areas, such as
Camden, NJ. Police officers in those areas are typically quite friendly and
respectful. They are polite and courteous and actually have personalities.
They are not so bitter and looking for the easy way out of anything and
everything that most cops seem to be. They will talk, and they will listen.
Cops in low crime areas seem to be full of themselves, generally they are
arrogant *******s who don't have respect for anyone or anything.

> It's only human nature
> to begin hating the people whom we know to hate us

Thank you, that precisely explains why I hate cops. They have shown me time
and time again that they don't give a damn about truth, legality, or safety.
Furthermore they have shown themselves to be completely disrespectful and
rude in their behavior. I can only take so much of that before I come to the
conclusion that the majority of cops are very bitter people who don't care
about anything the police's PR department spouts (such as the advertising
slogan "To protect and serve" designed to boost PR, as jaybird explained).
I've dealt with enough bitter cops taking out their anger and bitterness on
me. I've seen enough cops driving recklessly and abusing their power. I'm
fed up with it, I hate cops for those reasons. As you said, it's only human
nature...

Cory

The father of the motorcycle victim was on the Early Show this morning. He
had enough to deal with behind losing his son, which is a pain I hope no one
here ever experiences, and then he has this jerk of a cop blowing off the
friend who called it in like it was a crank call.

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>
> While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
> that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
> the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
> article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
> well.

Apparently, folks reading this thread missed this part of the article:

"Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
investigation for several offenses, including conduct
unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
of decorum, police said."

> This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
> an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
> it magically disappear after 15 days.

Zacly, Scott. He's been getting away with this for years and years, and
only now did he get caught.

I predict this officer will have
> future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
> enough of them he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
> retire or something).

The only times I have known police officers to be fired is when they are
caught selling drugs on the job or having kiddie porn on their computer.
But when an unarmed suspect is shot to death, the grand jury will not hand
down an indictment. That being the case, does anybody truly believe that
being rude to a 911 caller is grounds for dismissal to an 18-year veteran?

I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign him
to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public. Police
forces need to realize that being nice to their employers (us) goes a long
way toward instilling loyalty to cops. I don't mean baby-talk suspects, but
there is no cause to be rude just because they have a badge and a gun.

And just for the record, my dad was a decorated bureau detective, my mom was
a court reporter, and her mom was a PO. So much for being a cop-hater :)

Cory Dunkle wrote:
> Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
> agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate.

And *you've* *never* done anything inappropriate, huh? Never will,
either. Just remember that the first time you *do*, there'll be some
idiot calling for you to be tossed out of your *profession* for *the
rest of your life*. But that's perfectly fair, isn't it, Cory? One
screwup and you're *out*!

> Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They
serve the
> public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every
single
> person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that
person of
> something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost
respect
> and courtesy.

And in return get to be called "ass hole" and "pig", right, Cory?

> Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes
like
> this pig working on the force.

It'd be a helluva lot more pleasant without conclusion-jumping
judgmental young morons, too. But I'm not mentioning any *names* ...
Cory.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
>>Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve
>>the
>>public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every single
>>person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person
>>of
>>something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost respect
>>and courtesy.
>>
>>Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
>>this pig working on the force.
>
> Your hypocrisy is dripping off my screen and onto my keyboard.
>
> So let me ask you a question, Cory: why do you expect courtesy and
> respect from the police when you refuse to extend thst same courtesy
> and respect to them? Do you believe that paying the officer's salary
> entitles you to treat them with disrespect and hatred?

I don't believe that anybody deserves to be treated with disrespect or
hatred just because they are a LEO. Neither do I believe that carrying a
badge and gun gives cops the right to treat the public they serve with
arrogance and disdain. Admit it--there are cops who are bullies hiding
behind their shield. Just a few of those can and do taint an entire
department.

I'm no cop, but
> I can easily imagine what effect 18 years of dealing with this kind of
> irrational cop-hatred would have on a person. It's only human nature
> to begin hating the people whom we know to hate us; this is
> undoubtedly a factor in the trooper's rude behavior as reported in the
> article.

People who want to be cops go in knowing they will see the dregs of human
existence on a daily basis. They'll see worse than imaginable examples of
man-s inhumanity to man all the time. If they can't find a way to handle
that other than becoming rude and nasty then they need to look for another
line of work.

Being a LEO is often touted as being in harm's way every day, but the fact
is it's a relatively safe profession compared to commercial fisherman,
logger, construction worker, or coal miner. So don't tell me that the
demands of the job automatically make cops into jerks. A real professional
does their job with respect, dignity, and compassion. Almost every veteran
cop (and every single chief/county sheriff, retired or not) I know has a
positive attitude, and is motivated by wanting to do the right thing for
their community on their watch.

Trooper Peasley has an 18 year record, but that doesn't mean he should be
allowed to act with such blatant disrespect to a 911 caller and not get
disciplined for it.

jaybird wrote:
>
> How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.

Well, yeah; as long as we got *you* to work with ... =;^)

It might be easier if you let guys like *me* ream Cory when he deserves
it so richly.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)

"Motorhead Lawyer" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> jaybird wrote:
>>
>> How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.
>
> Well, yeah; as long as we got *you* to work with ... =;^)

I know, I end up being everyone's target because I'm the only one who cares
enough to stick around. Other cops have come and gone in here because they
don't need to put up with the crap like this guy...

>
> It might be easier if you let guys like *me* ream Cory when he deserves
> it so richly.

Naw, we can all gang up on him for being an ass.

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jaybird
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I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

jaybird wrote:
> "Motorhead Lawyer" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>jaybird wrote:
>>
>>> How easy it is for people in this ng to crucify a cop.
>>
>>Well, yeah; as long as we got *you* to work with ... =;^)
>
>
> I know, I end up being everyone's target because I'm the only one who cares
> enough to stick around. Other cops have come and gone in here because they
> don't need to put up with the crap like this guy...

Are you a 'desk' cop?

In article >,
jaybird > wrote:
>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>with that record, just based on a comment.

He's probably got no previous record because the union and other
coddlers of incompetence and malfeasance such as yourself got him off
the hook in those cases as well.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>with that record, just based on a comment.

How ****ing predictable.

He could have been responsible for the deaths of many people.

He willingly and knowingly refused to perform his job.

His attitude towards those he was supposed to help is just icing on
the cake.

**** him and **** you jaybird.

If you ever wondered why people hate cops, think about both what this
guy did and your reaction to it.

**** you again, you piece of ****

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:35:28 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>
>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>>
>> On one hand, you're consistent! <G>
>
>I asked myself why that is and came up with a pretty good answer. There are
>a lot of stories that come through these groups where cops have screwed up.
>You can read the story and say "yeah, that guy f#$cked up".

He INTENTIONALLY ****ed up.

We don't need people like him (or you) carrying guns and being in
positions of authority.


> Then there are
>stories like this one where someone got their feelings hurt.

People could have died, and quite possibly did because of his actions.


> Well, boo
>freakin hoo.


I'm sure people will be crying at the victims funeral.

> Suck it up like a man and move on with your life; you'll be
>ok. Then of course, there are the ones in the middle where we don't quite
>have all of the information so we go back and forth for weeks with people
>making up crap and assumptions the whole way. A good personal example is of
>a complaint that came in the other day. Some guy wrote a letter complaining
>to internal affairs that he received two citations and the cop was rude to
>him. IA wrote their official report and sent it to the supervisor to
>investigate. The supervisor calls the violator and asks him how the cop was
>rude. The answer he got was "well, he wrote me two tickets". "Uh..... ok,
>that's something you'll have to see a judge about. Tell me how the cop was
>rude". "Well if he hadn't written me two tickets I never would've
>complained". "Ok, sir, you have a nice day". Case closed, unfounded.
>That's why stories like this bug the hell out of me.
>

That's completely irrelevant to this case.

>>
>> On the other hand, I agree - the bunch around here is very, very quick to
>> have
>> people fired or say that a person shouldn't be driving. Leave it up to
>> this
>> bunch, and _nobody_ would be qualified to drive due to some innocuous
>> minutia
>> about their driving that they simply don't like.
>
>Apparently they can all be better cops than the ones currently employed too.

I have no doubt I could and would be.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:39:33 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>
>While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
>that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
>the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
>article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
>well.
>
>This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
>an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
>it magically disappear after 15 days. I predict this officer will have
>future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
>enough of them

Or once somebody dies on the side of the road waiting for an ambulance
that will never come.

>he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
>retire or something).

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:57 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>
>"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>>
>> While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
>> that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
>> the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
>> article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
>> well.
>>
>> This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
>> an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
>> it magically disappear after 15 days. I predict this officer will have
>> future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
>> enough of them he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
>> retire or something).
>
>It's possible, but we don't really know that. I'm sure that most of us here
>are generally nice and respectful to others but we have our bad days. I've
>made comments before that I probably shouldn't have, as most of us have
>done,

The difference is most people are held accountable for things that
they say and do.

This cop could have been responsible for people dying, and you want to
give him a pass.


> but that doesn't automatically make it normal practice.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:16 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:

>The father of the motorcycle victim was on the Early Show this morning. He
>had enough to deal with behind losing his son, which is a pain I hope no one
>here ever experiences, and then he has this jerk of a cop blowing off the
>friend who called it in like it was a crank call.
>
>"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>>
>> While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
>> that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
>> the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
>> article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
>> well.
>
>Apparently, folks reading this thread missed this part of the article:
>
>"Peasley, who was working the dispatch desk in the Troop E
>barracks in Montville, was punished after an internal affairs
>investigation for several offenses, including conduct
>unbecoming a police officer, inefficient action and lack
>of decorum, police said."
>
>> This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
>> an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
>> it magically disappear after 15 days.
>
>Zacly, Scott. He's been getting away with this for years and years, and
>only now did he get caught.
>
>I predict this officer will have
>> future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
>> enough of them he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
>> retire or something).
>
>The only times I have known police officers to be fired is when they are
>caught selling drugs on the job or having kiddie porn on their computer.
>But when an unarmed suspect is shot to death, the grand jury will not hand
>down an indictment. That being the case, does anybody truly believe that
>being rude to a 911 caller is grounds for dismissal to an 18-year veteran?

Not only was he rude, which is unacceptable, but he HUNG UP on them.

IOW, he INTENTIONALLY put OTHER people's lives at risk because he "was
having a bad day" (to use jaybird's excuse).

It most certainly is grounds for firing.

>
>I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign him
>to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public.

And I say fire his ass on the spot and let him beg for a job
elsewhere.


> Police
>forces need to realize that being nice to their employers (us) goes a long
>way toward instilling loyalty to cops. I don't mean baby-talk suspects, but
>there is no cause to be rude just because they have a badge and a gun.
>
>And just for the record, my dad was a decorated bureau detective, my mom was
>a court reporter, and her mom was a PO. So much for being a cop-hater :)
>

"Motorhead Lawyer" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Cory Dunkle wrote:
> > Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
> > agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate.
>
> And *you've* *never* done anything inappropriate, huh? Never will,
> either. Just remember that the first time you *do*, there'll be some
> idiot calling for you to be tossed out of your *profession* for *the
> rest of your life*. But that's perfectly fair, isn't it, Cory? One
> screwup and you're *out*!

Yep, a screwup like that involving life and death sure. Kick me out of my IT
consulting and support profession for life. If my VPN kills someone I'm out,
and I'll gladly quit if I'm not wanted on the job anymore.
When I worked in retail it never mattered to me how bad my day was, I was
always courteous, polite, and friendy to customers. Yeah, even cops. The
cops that came in the store for radio equipment and such were never
disrespectful to me, so I had no reason to treat them any different than any
other customer.

The point is a police officer taking calls is a very important position. If
this officer didn't wnat to treat the general public with respect he should
not be doing anything that brings him into contact with the general public,
especially taking emergency calls. Gee, ya think Joe Schoe who's wife is
about to die after being t-boned by a Mac truck is gonna be calm? You think
he's not gonna want to know if anything the police can tell him, like when
someone is going to arrive or if the police can find the truck if it was a
hit and run? If a person does not _want_ to _help_ people by being courteous
and friendly to them in their time of need, then find anotehr profession,
because you sure as hell aren't being professional about your job if you
aren't being respectful.

> > Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They
> serve the
> > public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every
> single
> > person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that
> person of
> > something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost
> respect
> > and courtesy.
>
> And in return get to be called "ass hole" and "pig", right, Cory?

I don't see why anyone would call a polite, friendly, and courteous cop an
"ass hole" or a "pig". I sure as heck wouldn't... That's just downright rude
and disrespectful.

> > Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes
> like
> > this pig working on the force.
>
> It'd be a helluva lot more pleasant without conclusion-jumping
> judgmental young morons, too. But I'm not mentioning any *names* ...
> Cory.

Take a good look at yourself...

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:15:24 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:

>"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:19:22 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Cops so often forget that they are _PUBLIC SERVICE_ officers. They serve
>>>the
>>>public, and the public pays them for that service. They serve every single
>>>person out on the streets and sidewalks. Even if they suspect that person
>>>of
>>>something the cop still needs to treat that person with the utmost respect
>>>and courtesy.
>>>
>>>Anyhow, the world would be a better place without all the ass holes like
>>>this pig working on the force.
>>
>> Your hypocrisy is dripping off my screen and onto my keyboard.
>>
>> So let me ask you a question, Cory: why do you expect courtesy and
>> respect from the police when you refuse to extend thst same courtesy
>> and respect to them? Do you believe that paying the officer's salary
>> entitles you to treat them with disrespect and hatred?
>
>I don't believe that anybody deserves to be treated with disrespect or
>hatred just because they are a LEO.

I agree, but jaybird's defense of this piece of **** is really making
me wonder why.

<snip>
>
>People who want to be cops go in knowing they will see the dregs of human
>existence on a daily basis. They'll see worse than imaginable examples of
>man-s inhumanity to man all the time.

Such as the cop who answered the phone in this story.

Or the cops in Dallas who were planting billiard chalk on innocent
people and calling it drugs.

etc....


>If they can't find a way to handle
>that other than becoming rude and nasty then they need to look for another
>line of work.
>
>Being a LEO is often touted as being in harm's way every day, but the fact
>is it's a relatively safe profession compared to commercial fisherman,
>logger, construction worker, or coal miner. So don't tell me that the
>demands of the job automatically make cops into jerks. A real professional
>does their job with respect, dignity, and compassion. Almost every veteran
>cop (and every single chief/county sheriff, retired or not) I know has a
>positive attitude, and is motivated by wanting to do the right thing for
>their community on their watch.
>
>Trooper Peasley has an 18 year record, but that doesn't mean he should be
>allowed to act with such blatant disrespect to a 911 caller and not get
>disciplined for it.
>

On 23 Mar 2005 09:10:58 -0800, "Motorhead Lawyer"
> wrote:

>Cory Dunkle wrote:
>> Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
>> agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate.
>
>And *you've* *never* done anything inappropriate, huh?

It's not just that this was "inappropriate". It's that this asshole
hung up on someone calling 911.

This is a no-brainer. The pig should be fired and strong statements
condemning his actions should be issued by the LEA involved.


People's lives are at stake.

"L Sternn" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:16 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> > wrote:

>>I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign
>>him
>>to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public.
>
> And I say fire his ass on the spot and let him beg for a job
> elsewhere.

If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect, we'd
have maybe 100 cops per large city.

Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:

> "L Sternn" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:16 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:
>
>
>>>I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign
>>>him
>>>to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public.
>>
>>And I say fire his ass on the spot and let him beg for a job
>>elsewhere.
>
>
> If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect, we'd
> have maybe 100 cops per large city.
>
>

That's OK, there's still lots of polite, conscientious people who's like
to have jobs.

nate

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:44:32 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:

>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:16 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
>> > wrote:
>
>>>I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign
>>>him
>>>to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public.
>>
>> And I say fire his ass on the spot and let him beg for a job
>> elsewhere.
>
>If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect, we'd
>have maybe 100 cops per large city.
>

His rudeness is only a secondary problem.

Why is nearly everyone neglecting the fact that he HUNG UP on people
calling 911?


He's VERY lucky that the PD is willing to cover for him and say the
guy would have died anyway.

L Sternn > wrote:

>**** you again, you piece of ****

****ty ****ing attitude = ****ty ****ing person. You're fired.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:25:35 -0500, Car > wrote:

>From the Hartford Courant
>
>Trooper Suspended 15 Days
>
>Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate
>
>A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
>for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
>"too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
>last August.
>
>State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
>affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
>death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
>injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.

Nobody should care if he contributed to the death, the point is that
he could have, and probably will the next time. He should be charged
with murder for the same reason that a criminal involved in a crime
where someone dies is charged with murder. The cop committed a crime,
and someone died, he should hang.

"Cartlon Shew" > wrote in message
...

> Why is nearly everyone neglecting the fact that he HUNG UP on people
> calling 911?

The consensus among the directly-involved parties seems to be that the lad
would have died before help arrived even if the officer had dispatched an
ambulance immediately. I'm not glossing it over, just opining that the
nasty responses and brusque hanging up were all part of a pattern of
incompetence when it comes to customer service.

> He's VERY lucky that the PD is willing to cover for him and say the
> guy would have died anyway.

The father of the lad is saying that too; I saw him speak the words himself
this morning on TV,

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>with that record, just based on a comment.

Yes, but you are such a retard you would have said the same thing if
he shot and killed 20 babies. It was his first offence. Meanwhile
you would support the death penalty for any young black man who dares
to drive a car you can't afford.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:50:35 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>So let me ask you a question, Cory: why do you expect courtesy and
>respect from the police when you refuse to extend thst same courtesy
>and respect to them? Do you believe that paying the officer's salary
>entitles you to treat them with disrespect and hatred? I'm no cop, but
>I can easily imagine what effect 18 years of dealing with this kind of
>irrational cop-hatred would have on a person. It's only human nature
>to begin hating the people whom we know to hate us; this is
>undoubtedly a factor in the trooper's rude behavior as reported in the
>article.

Irrelevant Scott. If I work a counter selling product to people, and
I treat them like ****, I should lose my job. The owner of the
company can not afford to allow me to "learn respect" on his dime.
The same thing applies here - if you want to be a cop, you need to
learn to deal with the ****ty attitudes that people often have. They
have these attitudes because other cops treat people like crap, and
they choose to support that behavior by the "code".

**** them.

Now, if the cop made an honest mistake, I would support him EVEN IF HE
HAD A HISTORY of bad mistakes. The issue is the behavior in question,
not how someone else behaves, nor what he did in the past.

On 23 Mar 2005 09:10:58 -0800, "Motorhead Lawyer"
> wrote:

>Cory Dunkle wrote:
>> Without a doubt he should be fired, and blacklisted from all police
>> agencies. His behavior was totally inappropriate.
>
>And *you've* *never* done anything inappropriate, huh? Never will,
>either. Just remember that the first time you *do*, there'll be some
>idiot calling for you to be tossed out of your *profession* for *the
>rest of your life*. But that's perfectly fair, isn't it, Cory? One
>screwup and you're *out*!

When and if Cory decides to carry a weapon and shoot people yes it
would be.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:44:32 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:

>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:16 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
>> > wrote:
>
>>>I think a proper way to handle this is give him a 5 day rip and reassign
>>>him
>>>to a job where he doesn't come into contact with the general public.
>>
>> And I say fire his ass on the spot and let him beg for a job
>> elsewhere.
>
>If we fired every cop who was rude to a citizen who wasn't a suspect, we'd
>have maybe 100 cops per large city.

And your point?

Uh, Mr Boss, I interviewed everybody for the job of Nuclear Power
Plant Safety Operator and the best qualified one was this chimp. I
figure we should hire him because otherwise we would have nobody to
watch out for the public safety.

Here's your sign.

>> Suck it up like a man and move on with your life; you'll be
>>ok. Then of course, there are the ones in the middle where we don't quite
>>have all of the information so we go back and forth for weeks with people
>>making up crap and assumptions the whole way. A good personal example is
>>of
>>a complaint that came in the other day. Some guy wrote a letter
>>complaining
>>to internal affairs that he received two citations and the cop was rude to
>>him. IA wrote their official report and sent it to the supervisor to
>>investigate. The supervisor calls the violator and asks him how the cop
>>was
>>rude. The answer he got was "well, he wrote me two tickets". "Uh.....
>>ok,
>>that's something you'll have to see a judge about. Tell me how the cop
>>was
>>rude". "Well if he hadn't written me two tickets I never would've
>>complained". "Ok, sir, you have a nice day". Case closed, unfounded.
>>That's why stories like this bug the hell out of me.
>>
>
> That's completely irrelevant to this case.

Agreed. It was a response to his comment on my consistency.

>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I agree - the bunch around here is very, very quick
>>> to
>>> have
>>> people fired or say that a person shouldn't be driving. Leave it up to
>>> this
>>> bunch, and _nobody_ would be qualified to drive due to some innocuous
>>> minutia
>>> about their driving that they simply don't like.
>>
>>Apparently they can all be better cops than the ones currently employed
>>too.
>
> I have no doubt I could and would be.

Cool, when do you start?

--
---
jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"L Sternn" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:57 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:07:48 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any
>>>>profession
>>>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>>>
>>> While I am on record as agreeing with your position, it seems likely
>>> that he has been doing things like this for some time; this is merely
>>> the first time he got caught/somebody complained loudly enough. The
>>> article itself mentions that he was rude to some other callers, as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> This kind of negative attitude doesn't suddenly appear one day after
>>> an 18-year exemplary record; it has been YEARS in the making. Nor will
>>> it magically disappear after 15 days. I predict this officer will have
>>> future run-ins of a similar nature. And, of course, once he racks up
>>> enough of them he will eventually be fired for cause (or forced to
>>> retire or something).
>>
>>It's possible, but we don't really know that. I'm sure that most of us
>>here
>>are generally nice and respectful to others but we have our bad days.
>>I've
>>made comments before that I probably shouldn't have, as most of us have
>>done,
>
> The difference is most people are held accountable for things that
> they say and do.
>
> This cop could have been responsible for people dying, and you want to
> give him a pass.

I believe that even in the follow up articles it was stated that his
comments had no effect on the response time.

--
---
jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> jaybird > wrote:
>>Of course he shouldn't be fired. He's an 18 year veteran with no prior
>>disciplinary action. I wouldn't wish a firing on anyone in any profession
>>with that record, just based on a comment.
>
> He's probably got no previous record because the union and other
> coddlers of incompetence and malfeasance such as yourself got him off
> the hook in those cases as well.

No, if you're trying to compare 18 years of service to a couple of 911
calls, that would've shown up in his work long ago in even more serious
circumstances. You can't dodge complaints for that long.

--
---
jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.