I just purchased a 98 Dodge Intrepid, and my engine blew up in it. It only
had 83k on it, and i pulled out of work only to hear major rattling and
smoking of the engine when i got home. And the sad thing was, I changed
the oil once, and i put over 3 quarts of oil back into it before the
engine blew up. Luckily, I had a warranty on it, but now my dealer
swindled me out of $500 and lied to me about the warranty company. Im in
litigations with him now. What a piece of dog turd. I never even got to
drive for about 2000 miles. Crap. Ill never buy a dodge again.

It looks like you got a used car that someone beat the **** out of and
now are paying for it.So you really cant blame dodge for this.You just
picked a abused car.This happens to alot of people no matter what brand
the car is.

It looks like you got a used car that someone beat the **** out of and
now are paying for it.So you really cant blame dodge for this.You just
picked a abused car.This happens to alot of people no matter what brand
the car is.

bigdan4712 wrote:

> I just purchased a 98 Dodge Intrepid, and my engine blew up in it. It only
> had 83k on it, and i pulled out of work only to hear major rattling and
> smoking of the engine when i got home. And the sad thing was, I changed
> the oil once, and i put over 3 quarts of oil back into it before the
> engine blew up. Luckily, I had a warranty on it, but now my dealer
> swindled me out of $500 and lied to me about the warranty company. Im in
> litigations with him now. What a piece of dog turd. I never even got to
> drive for about 2000 miles. Crap. Ill never buy a dodge again.



The 2.7L engine is known to have a tendency to sludge up. Oil flow to
bearings and timing chain gets blocked and the expected problems happen.
This isn't the only engine that does it; the Toyota V6 in Camrys and
the Sienna minivan is also known to be a sludger. It's still a small
minority of the engines that suffer this fate, but more than one would
expect these days, when engines routinely go 200K-300K or more between
overhauls.

The problems are made worse by Severe Service operation, which in
reality covers just about EVERYBODY (take a look at the maintenance
schedule, which defines severe service; if your driving includes ANY ONE
of the conditions noted, that's severe service). Delaying oil changes
is a no-no with this engine, and full synthetic oil is said to eliminate
the problem since it hardly builds up any sludge. Engine people say
that if you have a 2.7L engine, change the oil immediately, use full
synthetic oil, and go by the Severe Service schedule.

It's altogether possible that the prior owner was one of those slobs who
never changes the oil in their cars.

bigdan4712 wrote:

> I just purchased a 98 Dodge Intrepid, and my engine blew up in it. It only
> had 83k on it, and i pulled out of work only to hear major rattling and
> smoking of the engine when i got home. And the sad thing was, I changed
> the oil once, and i put over 3 quarts of oil back into it before the
> engine blew up. Luckily, I had a warranty on it, but now my dealer
> swindled me out of $500 and lied to me about the warranty company. Im in
> litigations with him now. What a piece of dog turd. I never even got to
> drive for about 2000 miles. Crap. Ill never buy a dodge again.



The 2.7L engine is known to have a tendency to sludge up. Oil flow to
bearings and timing chain gets blocked and the expected problems happen.
This isn't the only engine that does it; the Toyota V6 in Camrys and
the Sienna minivan is also known to be a sludger. It's still a small
minority of the engines that suffer this fate, but more than one would
expect these days, when engines routinely go 200K-300K or more between
overhauls.

The problems are made worse by Severe Service operation, which in
reality covers just about EVERYBODY (take a look at the maintenance
schedule, which defines severe service; if your driving includes ANY ONE
of the conditions noted, that's severe service). Delaying oil changes
is a no-no with this engine, and full synthetic oil is said to eliminate
the problem since it hardly builds up any sludge. Engine people say
that if you have a 2.7L engine, change the oil immediately, use full
synthetic oil, and go by the Severe Service schedule.

It's altogether possible that the prior owner was one of those slobs who
never changes the oil in their cars.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:23:23 -0500, bigdan4712 wrote:

> I just purchased a 98 Dodge Intrepid, and my engine blew up in it. It only
> had 83k on it, and i pulled out of work only to hear major rattling and
> smoking of the engine when i got home. And the sad thing was, I changed
> the oil once, and i put over 3 quarts of oil back into it before the
> engine blew up. Luckily, I had a warranty on it, but now my dealer
> swindled me out of $500 and lied to me about the warranty company. Im in
> litigations with him now. What a piece of dog turd. I never even got to
> drive for about 2000 miles. Crap. Ill never buy a dodge again.

It's not a Dodge problem, you moron. Things like this happen because
you're stupid.

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:23:23 -0500, bigdan4712 wrote:

> I just purchased a 98 Dodge Intrepid, and my engine blew up in it. It only
> had 83k on it, and i pulled out of work only to hear major rattling and
> smoking of the engine when i got home. And the sad thing was, I changed
> the oil once, and i put over 3 quarts of oil back into it before the
> engine blew up. Luckily, I had a warranty on it, but now my dealer
> swindled me out of $500 and lied to me about the warranty company. Im in
> litigations with him now. What a piece of dog turd. I never even got to
> drive for about 2000 miles. Crap. Ill never buy a dodge again.

It's not a Dodge problem, you moron. Things like this happen because
you're stupid.

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Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never buy
dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke down
every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.

Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never buy
dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke down
every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.

and also, dont think i put 3 quarts into engine when i changed the oil. i
put 5.5 quarts like it says, and i ended up putting 3 more quarts over the
time perioud that i had the car. moron.

and also, dont think i put 3 quarts into engine when i changed the oil. i
put 5.5 quarts like it says, and i ended up putting 3 more quarts over the
time perioud that i had the car. moron.

and also, dont think i put 3 quarts into engine when i changed the oil. i
put 5.5 quarts like it says, and i ended up putting 3 more quarts over the
time perioud that i had the car. moron.

and also, dont think i put 3 quarts into engine when i changed the oil. i
put 5.5 quarts like it says, and i ended up putting 3 more quarts over the
time perioud that i had the car. moron.

'75 Charger? What did it look like, and what did it have in it?

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"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
| japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
| shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never buy
| dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke down
| every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
| know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.
|

'75 Charger? What did it look like, and what did it have in it?

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"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
| japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
| shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never buy
| dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke down
| every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
| know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.
|

Posting the same twice? Who is the moron?

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"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| and also, dont think i put 3 quarts into engine when i changed the oil. i
| put 5.5 quarts like it says, and i ended up putting 3 more quarts over the
| time perioud that i had the car. moron.
|

Posting the same twice? Who is the moron?

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"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| and also, dont think i put 3 quarts into engine when i changed the oil. i
| put 5.5 quarts like it says, and i ended up putting 3 more quarts over the
| time perioud that i had the car. moron.
|

What is needed for the change over? What change over is needed to install a
3.5

What is needed for the change over? What change over is needed to install a
3.5

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:51:08 -0500, bigdan4712 wrote:

> Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
> japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
> shouldn't have to be so careful with a car.

OK, that proves beyond a doubt that you are indeed stupid.

> Thats my dad swears never buy dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was
> a piece of ****. it broke down every month.

Sounds like the stupidity runs in the family. Do you or your dad know the
meaning of "scheduled maintenance"?

> id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
> know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.

OK, you're not a "mopar moron", you're just a "regular" MORON. Go buy a
Chevy and bother those people in their newsgroup. Stay the **** out of
here, dip****.

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:51:08 -0500, bigdan4712 wrote:

> Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
> japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
> shouldn't have to be so careful with a car.

OK, that proves beyond a doubt that you are indeed stupid.

> Thats my dad swears never buy dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was
> a piece of ****. it broke down every month.

Sounds like the stupidity runs in the family. Do you or your dad know the
meaning of "scheduled maintenance"?

> id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
> know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.

OK, you're not a "mopar moron", you're just a "regular" MORON. Go buy a
Chevy and bother those people in their newsgroup. Stay the **** out of
here, dip****.

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dont get anal with me pal. i didnt post it twice.

dont get anal with me pal. i didnt post it twice.

you want to explain to me how i am stupid? and ill gurantee you my dad
knows a hell of alot more about cars then you could wish you could know.
my maintenance schedule was proper, as a matter of fact, i had my oil
changed before the car even needed an oil change. and don't forget, i
owned this car for 2 and half months. i think your just a die hard dodge
fan, and you just absolutely LOVE to work on cars just like FORD people.
i don't see how i am a moron because it isnt my fault that the car was a
POS. how could you say i am a moron, when i took good care of the vehicle,
and checked the oil at every gas fill up and it just burned oil. how about
that for dodge? i put 3, count em, 3 quarts of oil back into the dodge over
a period of time because it burned it. i can pull up a whole list of people
i know that has more problems than they can count on the fingers with their
dodges. how does that make me a moron? because i am smarter than you are,
and buy chevrolets? how about my dad has been chevys for years, and we
have had no serious problems with them whatsoever other than door locks no
working. which is minimal compared engine damage and head gasket like
dodge. we have owned over 5 chevy astro vans, and they all had 300k miles
plus on them before we got rid of them. my parents last lumina (1992) ran
to 212k and we got rid of it because my mom was bitching about a new car.
we then bought another (1997) lumina, and it has 207k on it. i dont think
chevys are Pieces of **** either. im sorry you feel that way about me, but
i just proved you wrong. the only way that i would be a moron is because i
bought a dodge. oh, by the way, quit bitching.

you want to explain to me how i am stupid? and ill gurantee you my dad
knows a hell of alot more about cars then you could wish you could know.
my maintenance schedule was proper, as a matter of fact, i had my oil
changed before the car even needed an oil change. and don't forget, i
owned this car for 2 and half months. i think your just a die hard dodge
fan, and you just absolutely LOVE to work on cars just like FORD people.
i don't see how i am a moron because it isnt my fault that the car was a
POS. how could you say i am a moron, when i took good care of the vehicle,
and checked the oil at every gas fill up and it just burned oil. how about
that for dodge? i put 3, count em, 3 quarts of oil back into the dodge over
a period of time because it burned it. i can pull up a whole list of people
i know that has more problems than they can count on the fingers with their
dodges. how does that make me a moron? because i am smarter than you are,
and buy chevrolets? how about my dad has been chevys for years, and we
have had no serious problems with them whatsoever other than door locks no
working. which is minimal compared engine damage and head gasket like
dodge. we have owned over 5 chevy astro vans, and they all had 300k miles
plus on them before we got rid of them. my parents last lumina (1992) ran
to 212k and we got rid of it because my mom was bitching about a new car.
we then bought another (1997) lumina, and it has 207k on it. i dont think
chevys are Pieces of **** either. im sorry you feel that way about me, but
i just proved you wrong. the only way that i would be a moron is because i
bought a dodge. oh, by the way, quit bitching.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:51:07 -0500, bigdan4712 wrote:

> you want to explain to me how i am stupid? and ill gurantee you my dad
> knows a hell of alot more about cars then you could wish you could know.

OK, I'll explain to you why you are stupid. Because..... you come in here
saying "dodge's suck" with no real basis. You seem to have had ONE bad
experience with ONE Dodge. That doesn't make ALL Dodges suck. See? Do
you see now why you are stupid to say that? Also, you cannot possibly
"gurantee" that your dad knows more than me, because you absolutely do not
know how much I know. Get it?

> i think your just a die hard dodge fan, and you just absolutely LOVE to
> work on cars just like FORD people.

Nope, I'm just an average Dodge fan, I own 3 of them at the moment, and
love all 3. Haven't had one single problem with any of them. I've also
owned two others that I have sold (in perfect running condition). I don't
really like to work on cars, although I do occasionally.

> i don't see how i am a moron because it isnt my fault that the car was a
> POS. how could you say i am a moron, when i took good care of the

If it was a POS, why did you buy it? That makes you a moron. See?

> i can pull up a whole list of people i know that has more problems than
> they can count on the fingers with their dodges.

And I can produce a (probably larger) list of people I know that don't
have problems with their Dodges. What does that prove?

> im sorry you feel that way about me, but i just proved you wrong.

You did? You *proved* it? How?

> only way that i would be a moron is because i bought a dodge.

OK, so you do admit to being a moron, then. I mean, you bought a Dodge,
so according to YOU, you must be a moron. Is that right?

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:51:07 -0500, bigdan4712 wrote:

> you want to explain to me how i am stupid? and ill gurantee you my dad
> knows a hell of alot more about cars then you could wish you could know.

OK, I'll explain to you why you are stupid. Because..... you come in here
saying "dodge's suck" with no real basis. You seem to have had ONE bad
experience with ONE Dodge. That doesn't make ALL Dodges suck. See? Do
you see now why you are stupid to say that? Also, you cannot possibly
"gurantee" that your dad knows more than me, because you absolutely do not
know how much I know. Get it?

> i think your just a die hard dodge fan, and you just absolutely LOVE to
> work on cars just like FORD people.

Nope, I'm just an average Dodge fan, I own 3 of them at the moment, and
love all 3. Haven't had one single problem with any of them. I've also
owned two others that I have sold (in perfect running condition). I don't
really like to work on cars, although I do occasionally.

> i don't see how i am a moron because it isnt my fault that the car was a
> POS. how could you say i am a moron, when i took good care of the

If it was a POS, why did you buy it? That makes you a moron. See?

> i can pull up a whole list of people i know that has more problems than
> they can count on the fingers with their dodges.

And I can produce a (probably larger) list of people I know that don't
have problems with their Dodges. What does that prove?

> im sorry you feel that way about me, but i just proved you wrong.

You did? You *proved* it? How?

> only way that i would be a moron is because i bought a dodge.

OK, so you do admit to being a moron, then. I mean, you bought a Dodge,
so according to YOU, you must be a moron. Is that right?

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We havent done a 3.5 yet, but are changing them to 3.2L-- Im sure it is
possible to do a 3.5L, as for the most part they are the same as the 3.2,
except for displacement--as far as computer differences in the 3.5L, not
sure, but the 3.2 is the same as the 2.7... There are several minor things
required to do the changeover from a 2.7 to 3.2--- air intake piping,
dipstick tube, throttle and cruise cables, heater and radiator hoses, and
a power steering line. The right exhaust pipe has to be shortened and an
oil cooler added. other than that, the a/c lines have to be rerouted to
the top of the engine. We've been getting engines with all the
accessories, starter, alt, p/s, etc, already attached. Wiring is all the
same... its a matter of 3 plugs near the ecm.... they have gone very
smoothly so far and can be done in about 2 days-- if you have a lift and
the equipment. we just drop the cradle engine and all out the bottom of
the car, change everything over, and install it back in. The 2.7 ecu and
wiring will run the 3.2 no problem.

We havent done a 3.5 yet, but are changing them to 3.2L-- Im sure it is
possible to do a 3.5L, as for the most part they are the same as the 3.2,
except for displacement--as far as computer differences in the 3.5L, not
sure, but the 3.2 is the same as the 2.7... There are several minor things
required to do the changeover from a 2.7 to 3.2--- air intake piping,
dipstick tube, throttle and cruise cables, heater and radiator hoses, and
a power steering line. The right exhaust pipe has to be shortened and an
oil cooler added. other than that, the a/c lines have to be rerouted to
the top of the engine. We've been getting engines with all the
accessories, starter, alt, p/s, etc, already attached. Wiring is all the
same... its a matter of 3 plugs near the ecm.... they have gone very
smoothly so far and can be done in about 2 days-- if you have a lift and
the equipment. we just drop the cradle engine and all out the bottom of
the car, change everything over, and install it back in. The 2.7 ecu and
wiring will run the 3.2 no problem.

This sounds like the rantings of an adolescent. "My dad can beat up your
dad!" Every auto manufacturer has some "bad" cars on the street. For every
post from someone who has trouble with one Mopar and claims all Mopars are
bad, there's a hundred satisfied Mopar owners that you don't see posts from.
So you didn't have "trouble" with any of your chebbies, doesn't mean other
people don't have lots of trouble with them. Considering, General
Maintenance set a record for recalls this year. In fact, these guys have the
highest recall rate than all other manufacturers, combined. Not to mention
the cheating of their customers, like putting chebby engines in the
Oldsmopiles and charging the higher price. Nah, I'll stay with my Mopars
little kid.

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"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...


<<<snipped the B.S.>>>

This sounds like the rantings of an adolescent. "My dad can beat up your
dad!" Every auto manufacturer has some "bad" cars on the street. For every
post from someone who has trouble with one Mopar and claims all Mopars are
bad, there's a hundred satisfied Mopar owners that you don't see posts from.
So you didn't have "trouble" with any of your chebbies, doesn't mean other
people don't have lots of trouble with them. Considering, General
Maintenance set a record for recalls this year. In fact, these guys have the
highest recall rate than all other manufacturers, combined. Not to mention
the cheating of their customers, like putting chebby engines in the
Oldsmopiles and charging the higher price. Nah, I'll stay with my Mopars
little kid.

Larry
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"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...


<<<snipped the B.S.>>>

my dad bought a brand new CHEVROLET and it went 11 miles before it broke
down mark of excellence my ---

my dad bought a brand new CHEVROLET and it went 11 miles before it broke
down mark of excellence my ---

Not a mitsubishi engine
"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
> japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
> shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never buy
> dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke down
> every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
> know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.
>

Not a mitsubishi engine
"bigdan4712" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi in
> japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
> shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never buy
> dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke down
> every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because i
> know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.
>

What's a 75 Charger? He hasn't answered that!

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| "bigdan4712" > wrote in message
| lkaboutautos.com...
| > Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi
in
| > japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
| > shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never
buy
| > dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke
down
| > every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because
i
| > know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.
| >
|
|

What's a 75 Charger? He hasn't answered that!

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| "bigdan4712" > wrote in message
| lkaboutautos.com...
| > Yes it is. Because dodge buys ****ty parts and engines from mitsubishi
in
| > japan, is reason why this car needs extreme maintenance schedules. You
| > shouldn't have to be so careful with a car. Thats my dad swears never
buy
| > dodge after he owned a 75 charger. It was a piece of ****. it broke
down
| > every month. id never buy dodge, and don't jump on dodges side, because
i
| > know cars. im not a mopar moron. dodge = trash.
| >
|
|

I have done a 2.7 to a 3.2 engine swap. For a week or so it ran great then
it went in to the safe mode. where the check engine light flashes and
slows you down to a stop. I then unhooked the battery for about 15 min.
Hooked it back up and ran good for about a week then it did it again.
Someone told me the ecm was over loading and would have to install the 3.2
ecm. I bought the one the 3.2 engine was with. Put it on and nothing. So
I bought the bcm (body control module) put it on and nothing. Any help?

I have done a 2.7 to a 3.2 engine swap. For a week or so it ran great then
it went in to the safe mode. where the check engine light flashes and
slows you down to a stop. I then unhooked the battery for about 15 min.
Hooked it back up and ran good for about a week then it did it again.
Someone told me the ecm was over loading and would have to install the 3.2
ecm. I bought the one the 3.2 engine was with. Put it on and nothing. So
I bought the bcm (body control module) put it on and nothing. Any help?

I have done a 2.7 to a 3.2 engine swap. For a week or so it ran great then
it went in to the safe mode. where the check engine light flashes and
slows you down to a stop. I then unhooked the battery for about 15 min.
Hooked it back up and ran good for about a week then it did it again.
Someone told me the ecm was over loading and would have to install the 3.2
ecm. I bought the one the 3.2 engine was with. Put it on and nothing. So
I bought the bcm (body control module) put it on and nothing. Any help?