Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
 

"Harry K" > wrote in
ups.com:

>
> J.C. wrote:
>> "D-word" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:39:54 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >I agree with the atheists. Hell - one man's cross is another man's
>> > >swastika.
>> > >
>> > >http://sltrib.com/utah/ci_3271385
>> > >
>> > >Atheist group wants memorial crosses removed
>> > >
>> > >By Michael N. Westley
>> > >The Salt Lake Tribune
>> > >
>> > >A lawsuit filed by the American Atheists in U.S. District Court on
>> > >Thursday seeks to remove steel crosses that dot roadways
>> > >throughout Utah and memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who
>> > >have died in the line of duty.
>> > >
>> > > The suit has drawn harsh reaction from family members of the
>> > > fallen
>> > >troopers and promises to be the source of an emotional battle.
>> > > The crosses, which stand about 12 feet high and bear the
>> > > trooper's
>> > >name and the UHP insignia, were erected starting in 1998 and serve
>> > >as a memorial for 14 troopers who have died since 1931. About nine
>> > >of the crosses are on public land and all of them are placed near
>> > >the spot where the troopers lost their lives.
>> >
>> >
>> > These roadside memorials are nothing more than graffiti. I'm glad
>> > to see this lawsuit. 12' high crosses? Ridiculous. Were they
>> > crucified or did the donut eater merely run his cruiser off the
>> > road? In some states every time some moron runs off the road the
>> > family creates a roadside memorial. Makes for a really scenic
>> > drive. The whole highway is your cemetery.
>> >
>> > Having a graveside memorial isn't enough, these Godnuts need an "X"
>> > to mark the spot -- and don't give a damn what an eyesore they are
>> > creating for everyone else. If a family member of mine died in
>> > their backyard would it be okay for me to erect a giant 12' high
>> > memorial to Cthulhu? I'm sure it would.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, it does make for a great game to keep kids
>> > occupied on a long drive, called "Count the dead Christians."
>> > Every time you pass a memorial, the kids try to be the first to
>> > yell out, "God got another one!" (Feel free to suggest your own
>> > name for this GREAT family game.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Plaintiffs Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers and Richard Andrews in
>> > >conjunction with the American Atheists Inc. also seek to have the
>> > >UHP symbol removed from the crosses.
>> > > "The presence of the UHP logo on a poignant religious symbol is
>> > > an
>> > >unconstitutional violation of the United States Constitution. It
>> > >is government endorsement of religion," said Rivers, Utah director
>> > >for American Atheists.
>> >
>> >
>> > Agreed. But I don't care about the logo, I don't want this in your
>> > face reminder of religion while I am driving. Let them do what
>> > normal people do, buy them a tombstone. I also resent the
>> > elevation of state police as some sort of higher calling. They are
>> > a necessary evil.
>>
>> So you're totally against the constitutional guarantee of a persons
>> right to freely express their religion, right? Why don't you prepare
>> an amendment and see how it goes?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Criticism is easy and takes no intelligence at all.
>> Offerring a valid, different solution takes brains.
>>
>> J. C.
>
> So where in the constitution does it say anything about the free
> expression allowing you to push -your- religion in -my- face? That is
> what it comes down to. Practice whatever religion (within reason) you
> want but keep it off public property. You want to proseltize? Fine,
> just don't use public funds to do it. That's what erecting religious
> monuments is: proselitizing.
>
> Harry K
>
> Harry K
>
>

When the "pro-religion" people accept public monuments to or public schools
teaching Satanism,Wicca,and other non-Christian beliefs alongside
Christianity,then I will go along with it.

I guess it's not enough to set a good example that others would observe and
want to join,they have to use government to coerce people into it,one way
or another.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> "Harry K" > wrote in
> ups.com:
>
> >
> > J.C. wrote:
> >> "D-word" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:39:54 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >I agree with the atheists. Hell - one man's cross is another man's
> >> > >swastika.
> >> > >
> >> > >http://sltrib.com/utah/ci_3271385
> >> > >
> >> > >Atheist group wants memorial crosses removed
> >> > >
> >> > >By Michael N. Westley
> >> > >The Salt Lake Tribune
> >> > >
> >> > >A lawsuit filed by the American Atheists in U.S. District Court on
> >> > >Thursday seeks to remove steel crosses that dot roadways
> >> > >throughout Utah and memorialize Utah Highway Patrol troopers who
> >> > >have died in the line of duty.
> >> > >
> >> > > The suit has drawn harsh reaction from family members of the
> >> > > fallen
> >> > >troopers and promises to be the source of an emotional battle.
> >> > > The crosses, which stand about 12 feet high and bear the
> >> > > trooper's
> >> > >name and the UHP insignia, were erected starting in 1998 and serve
> >> > >as a memorial for 14 troopers who have died since 1931. About nine
> >> > >of the crosses are on public land and all of them are placed near
> >> > >the spot where the troopers lost their lives.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > These roadside memorials are nothing more than graffiti. I'm glad
> >> > to see this lawsuit. 12' high crosses? Ridiculous. Were they
> >> > crucified or did the donut eater merely run his cruiser off the
> >> > road? In some states every time some moron runs off the road the
> >> > family creates a roadside memorial. Makes for a really scenic
> >> > drive. The whole highway is your cemetery.
> >> >
> >> > Having a graveside memorial isn't enough, these Godnuts need an "X"
> >> > to mark the spot -- and don't give a damn what an eyesore they are
> >> > creating for everyone else. If a family member of mine died in
> >> > their backyard would it be okay for me to erect a giant 12' high
> >> > memorial to Cthulhu? I'm sure it would.
> >> >
> >> > On the other hand, it does make for a great game to keep kids
> >> > occupied on a long drive, called "Count the dead Christians."
> >> > Every time you pass a memorial, the kids try to be the first to
> >> > yell out, "God got another one!" (Feel free to suggest your own
> >> > name for this GREAT family game.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Plaintiffs Stephen Clark, Michael Rivers and Richard Andrews in
> >> > >conjunction with the American Atheists Inc. also seek to have the
> >> > >UHP symbol removed from the crosses.
> >> > > "The presence of the UHP logo on a poignant religious symbol is
> >> > > an
> >> > >unconstitutional violation of the United States Constitution. It
> >> > >is government endorsement of religion," said Rivers, Utah director
> >> > >for American Atheists.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Agreed. But I don't care about the logo, I don't want this in your
> >> > face reminder of religion while I am driving. Let them do what
> >> > normal people do, buy them a tombstone. I also resent the
> >> > elevation of state police as some sort of higher calling. They are
> >> > a necessary evil.
> >>
> >> So you're totally against the constitutional guarantee of a persons
> >> right to freely express their religion, right? Why don't you prepare
> >> an amendment and see how it goes?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Criticism is easy and takes no intelligence at all.
> >> Offerring a valid, different solution takes brains.
> >>
> >> J. C.
> >
> > So where in the constitution does it say anything about the free
> > expression allowing you to push -your- religion in -my- face? That is
> > what it comes down to. Practice whatever religion (within reason) you
> > want but keep it off public property. You want to proseltize? Fine,
> > just don't use public funds to do it. That's what erecting religious
> > monuments is: proselitizing.
> >
> > Harry K
> >
> > Harry K
> >
> >
>
> When the "pro-religion" people accept public monuments to or public schools
> teaching Satanism,Wicca,and other non-Christian beliefs alongside
> Christianity,then I will go along with it.
>
> I guess it's not enough to set a good example that others would observe and
> want to join,they have to use government to coerce people into it,one way
> or another.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Yep. They seem to overlook the admonition in the bible to not make a
public spectacle of themselves praying.

Harry K

Atheists demand removal of Utah highway crosses commemorating fallen Highway Patrol troopers
 

"Jim Yanik" > wrote in message
...
> "Harry K" > wrote in
> ups.com:
>
>
> When the "pro-religion" people accept public monuments to or public
> schools
> teaching Satanism,Wicca,and other non-Christian beliefs alongside
> Christianity,then I will go along with it.
>
> I guess it's not enough to set a good example that others would observe
> and
> want to join,they have to use government to coerce people into it,one way
> or another.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

The study of other "beliefs" are taught in some public schools.