Engine identification 64 Ford
 

I have a 1964 T-Bird that suppose to have a 390 engine. I have found a
raised casting number on the right front of the block #16 with 352
underneath. Any idea if this is trully a 390 or perhaps been changed
with a 352 engine?
Dan in TN

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

I think the FE family of engines all have "352" in that location
without regard to the actual displacement. See for instance
http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/15999/
http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/engines/fe.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FE_engine

I think that by '61 the actual 352 engine was gone from the
Thunderbird, supplanted by the 390 (and, beginning in '66, an optional
428):
http://www.tbird.org/DataPlate/vdata.htm

The 352 stayed around as a Galaxie base engine and also in pickup
trucks, so it is not implausible that someone retrofitted one after
blowing up the original 390. Seems a bit unlikely because the 390 was
so widely available, but it's possible. People who know a lot more
than me say there's no definitive way to tell which you've got from the
outside of an assembled one.

Cheers,
--Joe

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

"Ad absurdum per aspera" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I think the FE family of engines all have "352" in that location
> without regard to the actual displacement. See for instance
> http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/15999/
> http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/engines/fe.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FE_engine
>
> I think that by '61 the actual 352 engine was gone from the
> Thunderbird, supplanted by the 390 (and, beginning in '66, an optional
> 428):
> http://www.tbird.org/DataPlate/vdata.htm
>
> The 352 stayed around as a Galaxie base engine and also in pickup
> trucks, so it is not implausible that someone retrofitted one after
> blowing up the original 390. Seems a bit unlikely because the 390 was
> so widely available, but it's possible. People who know a lot more
> than me say there's no definitive way to tell which you've got from the
> outside of an assembled one.
>
> Cheers,
> --Joe

I haven't seen the original post, but if this helps, I had a 63 galaxy
with a 352 in it.... and one of my workers also had a 63 galaxy with a 390
in it. MIne was a 4 door, not sure about hers... it may have been a 2
door...
There were 2 versions of the 352... one was a windsor, and the other was
a cleveland... not sure what that meant, but maybe it had something to do
with where it was made.

Fwed

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

fweddybear wrote:
> There were 2 versions of the 352... one was a windsor, and the other was
> a cleveland... not sure what that meant, but maybe it had something to do
> with where it was made.
>

The Windsor and the Cleveland were quite different, IIRC. The Windsor
was a 60 degree V and the Cleveland was a 90 degree, among
others...again, IIRC (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong). I
had a 76 Econoline with a 351W in it...a co-worker had an F-150 with a
351C, also a 76. The Cleveland was (is?) much more desirable for high
performance applications.

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

"M.M." > wrote in
:

> fweddybear wrote:
>> There were 2 versions of the 352... one was a windsor, and the
>> other was
>> a cleveland... not sure what that meant, but maybe it had something
>> to do with where it was made.
>>
>
> The Windsor and the Cleveland were quite different, IIRC. The Windsor
> was a 60 degree V and the Cleveland was a 90 degree, among
> others...again, IIRC (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
> I had a 76 Econoline with a 351W in it...a co-worker had an F-150 with
> a 351C, also a 76. The Cleveland was (is?) much more desirable for
> high performance applications.
>
>

WOW I don`t know where to start on this misinformation. the 352 FE and
the 3 351s were completely different. the 352 is the older of them all
being produced untill 1966 if I remember correctly, the 351W is a small
block thin wall casting similar to the 302 family but with a 1 inch
taller deck. the 351C was only made from 69 to 74,(and never put in a
pkup from the factory) and the 351M was basicly a destroked 400, same
parts other than crank and pistons. all are a 90 degree v config. as are
most V8s american made. the 60 degree V is a v6 item to provide for even
fireing cyl. KB

--
Thunder Snake #9
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Engine identification 64 Ford
 

Dano wrote:
> I have a 1964 T-Bird that suppose to have a 390 engine. I have found a
> raised casting number on the right front of the block #16 with 352
> underneath. Any idea if this is trully a 390 or perhaps been changed
> with a 352 engine?
> Dan in TN


gord wrote

You have the right engine for the 64 bird/ The 352 had a block
modified racing block.

Better than 390 block / Look at where it says 352 on
block/ LOOK just left on top of the water pump joins the block /their
should be about the width of your thumb.Should
be a flat strip of the block an inch high if not ? Your engine is not
modified yet is still a good
352. So check for that ridge by the back of water pump/ Your block
hasn't been changed just a fast 64 Birds ,there was only so many made
from the factory I.D. foctory numbers
on the starter side of block Have fun & good luck bird's do fly lol

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

>> There were 2 versions of the 352... one was a windsor, and the other was
> > a cleveland...

Uh-uh. You're thinking of the three three-fifty-ONEs from the
respective sides of Lake Erie. The Windsor was a small block with a
lot of family resemblance to the 302. A different block, often
described as "intermediate" and soon punched out to 400 and then
punched back in to create a different 351, came from the American side,
both in the 70s.

We're talking about the three-fifty-TWO, which, despite its similar
displacement, was from an older and quite different engine series,
their big block of the 60s (with some enduring applications, mostly in
trucks, overlapping deep into the era when their mainstream big block
was the 429/460 type and the two different families of 351's were also
in their glory days, making the confusion, if not the nomenclature,
very understandable).

Cheers,
--Joe

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

Kevin Bottorff wrote:

> WOW I don`t know where to start on this misinformation. ...

I knew someone would correct me... :-)

Of course you're right...now that I think about it, the pickup had a
351M in it. The 351C was in another co-worker's 69 Mustang.

My apologies for the 'misinformation'...

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

Dano wrote:
> I have a 1964 T-Bird that suppose to have a 390 engine. I have found a
> raised casting number on the right front of the block #16 with 352
> underneath. Any idea if this is trully a 390 or perhaps been changed
> with a 352 engine?
> Dan in TN
The 352 and the 390 are the same block. I have a 352 in my 63 f-100
short box and i have a spare 390 that i took the 4 bbl intake off of
for my 352. The VIN number of the T-Bird should tell you which engine
is supposed to be in the car.

Engine identification 64 Ford
 

In article >, lugnut wrote:

> And not only that but, IIRC and this is not a brain fart,
> the 352, 351W, 351C & 351M all had the same bore/stroke
> making things even more confusing. This would mean all four
> were either 351 or 352 cid. I guess, since the 352
> FE(Ford/Edsel) already existed, there had to be a
> distinction with the 351W.

Right. The 351W was actually 352 cid, but called 351 to avoid confusion
with the earlier V8