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toyota1 December 17th 04 12:27 AM

Dodge Intrepid 2.7L engine problems Replace with 3.2
 
Anyone having problems with the dodge intrepid 2.7 L engine, I have a
cheaper and better solution for you. I own an automotive shop and we have
been installing the optional 3.2l engine with very successful results,
cheaper than a replacement 2.7l. If you have any questions or interest in
the 3.2 conversion, feel free to contact me via email.


maxpower December 17th 04 12:44 AM

Im just wondering what happens down the road when the vehicle fails a State
emissions program, If the labels/vin/engine and all that dont match, it wont
fly thru, not to say thats considered tampering (federal offence) And what
about the engine controller??? 2.7-3.2??? i belive there is a difference
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Anyone having problems with the dodge intrepid 2.7 L engine, I have a
> cheaper and better solution for you. I own an automotive shop and we have
> been installing the optional 3.2l engine with very successful results,
> cheaper than a replacement 2.7l. If you have any questions or interest in
> the 3.2 conversion, feel free to contact me via email.
>




maxpower December 17th 04 12:44 AM

Im just wondering what happens down the road when the vehicle fails a State
emissions program, If the labels/vin/engine and all that dont match, it wont
fly thru, not to say thats considered tampering (federal offence) And what
about the engine controller??? 2.7-3.2??? i belive there is a difference
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Anyone having problems with the dodge intrepid 2.7 L engine, I have a
> cheaper and better solution for you. I own an automotive shop and we have
> been installing the optional 3.2l engine with very successful results,
> cheaper than a replacement 2.7l. If you have any questions or interest in
> the 3.2 conversion, feel free to contact me via email.
>




Larry Crites December 17th 04 06:41 PM

With a name of "toyota1", I wouldn't trust this person's work on my Mopar.
My 2.7 has just under 96,000 miles on it. Still has a lot of power, and no
smoking, whatsoever. What's the problem?

Larry
Unlock the Universe

"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| Anyone having problems with the dodge intrepid 2.7 L engine, I have a
| cheaper and better solution for you. I own an automotive shop and we have
| been installing the optional 3.2l engine with very successful results,
| cheaper than a replacement 2.7l. If you have any questions or interest in
| the 3.2 conversion, feel free to contact me via email.
|



Larry Crites December 17th 04 06:41 PM

With a name of "toyota1", I wouldn't trust this person's work on my Mopar.
My 2.7 has just under 96,000 miles on it. Still has a lot of power, and no
smoking, whatsoever. What's the problem?

Larry
Unlock the Universe

"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| Anyone having problems with the dodge intrepid 2.7 L engine, I have a
| cheaper and better solution for you. I own an automotive shop and we have
| been installing the optional 3.2l engine with very successful results,
| cheaper than a replacement 2.7l. If you have any questions or interest in
| the 3.2 conversion, feel free to contact me via email.
|



toyota1 December 17th 04 09:00 PM

The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
situation.


toyota1 December 17th 04 09:00 PM

The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
situation.


toyota1 December 17th 04 09:10 PM

larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle. sorry
you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
20k miles and is running perfectly.


toyota1 December 17th 04 09:10 PM

larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle. sorry
you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
20k miles and is running perfectly.


maxpower December 17th 04 09:36 PM

Alot of that is due to using the wrong viscostiy oil, and not changing it
at the proper time, i havent seen alot of problems here at the shop except
for a few....and they were destroyed because the owners neglected them.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
> cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
> form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
> and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
> breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
> to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.

sorry
> you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
> engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
> failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
> transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
> miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
> 20k miles and is running perfectly.
>




maxpower December 17th 04 09:36 PM

Alot of that is due to using the wrong viscostiy oil, and not changing it
at the proper time, i havent seen alot of problems here at the shop except
for a few....and they were destroyed because the owners neglected them.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
> cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
> form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
> and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
> breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
> to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.

sorry
> you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
> engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
> failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
> transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
> miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
> 20k miles and is running perfectly.
>




maxpower December 17th 04 09:40 PM

O...im not refering to now, im talking about a few yrs down the road when
they fail, when the numbers dont match and the veci sticker doesnt jive and
maybe time for a waiver, or the inspector catches it, like i said, that is
considered Tampering. I bouhgt my wife a 2003 sebring with the
2.7............. 5w30 oil every 3k. i wont have a problem
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
> situation.
>




maxpower December 17th 04 09:40 PM

O...im not refering to now, im talking about a few yrs down the road when
they fail, when the numbers dont match and the veci sticker doesnt jive and
maybe time for a waiver, or the inspector catches it, like i said, that is
considered Tampering. I bouhgt my wife a 2003 sebring with the
2.7............. 5w30 oil every 3k. i wont have a problem
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
> situation.
>




maxpower December 17th 04 09:49 PM

Before the law was revised in 1990, it was only illegal for professional
mechanics to remove or disconnect emission control devices. There was
nothing to prevent a motorist from tampering with their own vehicles. That
loophole has since been plugged.

THINGS NOT TO DO

Any of the following may be considered emissions tampering and get you into
trouble:

a.. Removing the EGR valve or plugging its vacuum lines
b.. Removing or disconnecting the PCV valve
c.. Removing the stock air cleaner and heat riser duct plumbing
d.. Removing the catalytic converter
e.. Removing or disconnecting the air pump
f.. Removing or modifying the stock distributor vacuum advance/retard
g.. Altering the stock ignition advance mechanism or timing curve
h.. Replacing the stock distributor with an aftermarket unit that is not
emissions certified
i.. Modifying, removing or replacing the stock computer or PROM chip with
a non-certified component
j.. Blocking the heat riser duct under the intake manifold
k.. Knocking out the filler restrictor on the fuel tank inlet pipe
l.. Replacing the stock non-vented gas cap with a vented cap
m.. Removing or disconnecting the fuel vapor recovery canister
n.. Changing the idle mixture or stock carburetor jetting
o.. Removing or modifying the carburetor choke
p.. Modifying or replacing the carburetor accelerator pump with
non-certified components
q.. Installing an intake manifold or racing manifold that lacks provisions
for the stock EGR valve and/or a heat riser duct
r.. Installing a carburetor that lacks the stock emission hookups
s.. Installing non-certified fuel injectors
t.. Installing a long duration "racing" cam that is not
emissions-certified
u.. Installing exhaust headers that lack provisions for a heat riser
valve, an air cleaner preheat stove or fittings for an oxygen sensor (if
required)
v.. Installing valve covers with open breathers or no fittings for a PCV
valve
w.. Installing any induction, fuel or ignition system component that is
NOT emissions legal
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
> situation.
>




maxpower December 17th 04 09:49 PM

Before the law was revised in 1990, it was only illegal for professional
mechanics to remove or disconnect emission control devices. There was
nothing to prevent a motorist from tampering with their own vehicles. That
loophole has since been plugged.

THINGS NOT TO DO

Any of the following may be considered emissions tampering and get you into
trouble:

a.. Removing the EGR valve or plugging its vacuum lines
b.. Removing or disconnecting the PCV valve
c.. Removing the stock air cleaner and heat riser duct plumbing
d.. Removing the catalytic converter
e.. Removing or disconnecting the air pump
f.. Removing or modifying the stock distributor vacuum advance/retard
g.. Altering the stock ignition advance mechanism or timing curve
h.. Replacing the stock distributor with an aftermarket unit that is not
emissions certified
i.. Modifying, removing or replacing the stock computer or PROM chip with
a non-certified component
j.. Blocking the heat riser duct under the intake manifold
k.. Knocking out the filler restrictor on the fuel tank inlet pipe
l.. Replacing the stock non-vented gas cap with a vented cap
m.. Removing or disconnecting the fuel vapor recovery canister
n.. Changing the idle mixture or stock carburetor jetting
o.. Removing or modifying the carburetor choke
p.. Modifying or replacing the carburetor accelerator pump with
non-certified components
q.. Installing an intake manifold or racing manifold that lacks provisions
for the stock EGR valve and/or a heat riser duct
r.. Installing a carburetor that lacks the stock emission hookups
s.. Installing non-certified fuel injectors
t.. Installing a long duration "racing" cam that is not
emissions-certified
u.. Installing exhaust headers that lack provisions for a heat riser
valve, an air cleaner preheat stove or fittings for an oxygen sensor (if
required)
v.. Installing valve covers with open breathers or no fittings for a PCV
valve
w.. Installing any induction, fuel or ignition system component that is
NOT emissions legal
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested have
> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes in
> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
> situation.
>




James C. Reeves December 17th 04 11:12 PM

5w30 Synthetic? Or, dino?

"maxpower" > wrote in message
...
> O...im not refering to now, im talking about a few yrs down the road when
> they fail, when the numbers dont match and the veci sticker doesnt jive
> and
> maybe time for a waiver, or the inspector catches it, like i said, that is
> considered Tampering. I bouhgt my wife a 2003 sebring with the
> 2.7............. 5w30 oil every 3k. i wont have a problem
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
> "toyota1" > wrote in message
> lkaboutautos.com...
>> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested
>> have
>> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
>> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes
>> in
>> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
>> situation.
>>

>
>




James C. Reeves December 17th 04 11:12 PM

5w30 Synthetic? Or, dino?

"maxpower" > wrote in message
...
> O...im not refering to now, im talking about a few yrs down the road when
> they fail, when the numbers dont match and the veci sticker doesnt jive
> and
> maybe time for a waiver, or the inspector catches it, like i said, that is
> considered Tampering. I bouhgt my wife a 2003 sebring with the
> 2.7............. 5w30 oil every 3k. i wont have a problem
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
> "toyota1" > wrote in message
> lkaboutautos.com...
>> The emissions have not been a problem. Vehicles that have been tested
>> have
>> passed. Also the 2.7l ecu will run the 3.2 engines without any problems.
>> State laws vary depending on the state, and there are certain processes
>> in
>> some states that require you to register a vehicle as "rebuilt" in this
>> situation.
>>

>
>




toyota1 December 18th 04 02:38 AM

THE 3.2 ENGINE USES ALL OF THE 2.7 EMISSION COMPONENTS AND IT OPERATES
EXACT SAME AS THE 2.7 WOULD HAVE. NO COMPONENTS IN THE EVAP SYSTEM,
CATALYTIC, EGR, ETC ARE REMOVED.


toyota1 December 18th 04 02:38 AM

THE 3.2 ENGINE USES ALL OF THE 2.7 EMISSION COMPONENTS AND IT OPERATES
EXACT SAME AS THE 2.7 WOULD HAVE. NO COMPONENTS IN THE EVAP SYSTEM,
CATALYTIC, EGR, ETC ARE REMOVED.


toyota1 December 18th 04 02:39 AM

Most we have seen have been sluged badly, due to maintenance issues, but
the intrepid i own had its oil changed every 3000 miles since new, and the
timing chain failed at 45k still.


toyota1 December 18th 04 02:39 AM

Most we have seen have been sluged badly, due to maintenance issues, but
the intrepid i own had its oil changed every 3000 miles since new, and the
timing chain failed at 45k still.


toyota1 December 18th 04 03:01 AM

also, how is it considered tampering when none of the emissions components
are removed or compromised? would it not be the same "tampering" if you
were to remove a v6 from a 1981 monte carlo and replace with a 5.7l???
all you are doing is replacing the standard 2.7 with the optional
3.2l---90% of the parts except hoses, intake and radiator are
different......


toyota1 December 18th 04 03:01 AM

also, how is it considered tampering when none of the emissions components
are removed or compromised? would it not be the same "tampering" if you
were to remove a v6 from a 1981 monte carlo and replace with a 5.7l???
all you are doing is replacing the standard 2.7 with the optional
3.2l---90% of the parts except hoses, intake and radiator are
different......


maxpower December 18th 04 01:36 PM

Im not saying it is tampering, I was simply stating...but if you use a
different application PCM for another engine i would think that in the eyes
of EPA they may consider that tampering
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> also, how is it considered tampering when none of the emissions components
> are removed or compromised? would it not be the same "tampering" if you
> were to remove a v6 from a 1981 monte carlo and replace with a 5.7l???
> all you are doing is replacing the standard 2.7 with the optional
> 3.2l---90% of the parts except hoses, intake and radiator are
> different......
>




maxpower December 18th 04 01:36 PM

Im not saying it is tampering, I was simply stating...but if you use a
different application PCM for another engine i would think that in the eyes
of EPA they may consider that tampering
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> also, how is it considered tampering when none of the emissions components
> are removed or compromised? would it not be the same "tampering" if you
> were to remove a v6 from a 1981 monte carlo and replace with a 5.7l???
> all you are doing is replacing the standard 2.7 with the optional
> 3.2l---90% of the parts except hoses, intake and radiator are
> different......
>




maxpower December 18th 04 01:38 PM

wow. i havent even heard of a timing chain failure yet,
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Most we have seen have been sluged badly, due to maintenance issues, but
> the intrepid i own had its oil changed every 3000 miles since new, and the
> timing chain failed at 45k still.
>




maxpower December 18th 04 01:38 PM

wow. i havent even heard of a timing chain failure yet,
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Most we have seen have been sluged badly, due to maintenance issues, but
> the intrepid i own had its oil changed every 3000 miles since new, and the
> timing chain failed at 45k still.
>




Larry Crites December 18th 04 06:52 PM

I don't have sludging problems. Maybe my oil, filter and maintenance
combinations work. I don't use Pennzoil. Here's one oil that creates sludge.
I've seen it sludge up rebuilt engines in no time. I just can't bring myself
to buy a foreign manufacturer's vehicle.

Larry
Unlock the Universe

"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
| cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
| form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
| and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
| breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
| to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
sorry
| you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
| engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
| failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
| transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
| miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
| 20k miles and is running perfectly.
|



Larry Crites December 18th 04 06:52 PM

I don't have sludging problems. Maybe my oil, filter and maintenance
combinations work. I don't use Pennzoil. Here's one oil that creates sludge.
I've seen it sludge up rebuilt engines in no time. I just can't bring myself
to buy a foreign manufacturer's vehicle.

Larry
Unlock the Universe

"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
| larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
| cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
| form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
| and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
| breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
| to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
sorry
| you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
| engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
| failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
| transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
| miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
| 20k miles and is running perfectly.
|



toyota1 December 18th 04 08:13 PM

Im surprised that you are a chrysler tech and havent seen any chains or
2.7s fail, the local chrysler dealer here says they do 3 to 4 per month--
timing chains or engine replacements due to sludge or lower end failures--
must not be too common yet in your area. I looked up intrepids on the local
auto trader and found 12 listed with blown 2.7l engines.


toyota1 December 18th 04 08:13 PM

Im surprised that you are a chrysler tech and havent seen any chains or
2.7s fail, the local chrysler dealer here says they do 3 to 4 per month--
timing chains or engine replacements due to sludge or lower end failures--
must not be too common yet in your area. I looked up intrepids on the local
auto trader and found 12 listed with blown 2.7l engines.


maxpower December 18th 04 10:17 PM

yup, being doing it for Chrysler for 26 yrs, You will find that different
zones have different problems, If i had to guess i would say there are more
of the problems you are talking about in the colder climate areas. and i was
still told that most of it was the improper viscosity oil and lack of
maintenance
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Im surprised that you are a chrysler tech and havent seen any chains or
> 2.7s fail, the local chrysler dealer here says they do 3 to 4 per month--
> timing chains or engine replacements due to sludge or lower end failures--
> must not be too common yet in your area. I looked up intrepids on the

local
> auto trader and found 12 listed with blown 2.7l engines.
>




maxpower December 18th 04 10:17 PM

yup, being doing it for Chrysler for 26 yrs, You will find that different
zones have different problems, If i had to guess i would say there are more
of the problems you are talking about in the colder climate areas. and i was
still told that most of it was the improper viscosity oil and lack of
maintenance
"toyota1" > wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
> Im surprised that you are a chrysler tech and havent seen any chains or
> 2.7s fail, the local chrysler dealer here says they do 3 to 4 per month--
> timing chains or engine replacements due to sludge or lower end failures--
> must not be too common yet in your area. I looked up intrepids on the

local
> auto trader and found 12 listed with blown 2.7l engines.
>




[email protected] December 19th 04 05:17 AM

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:52:15 -0700, "Larry Crites"
> wrote:

>I don't have sludging problems. Maybe my oil, filter and maintenance
>combinations work. I don't use Pennzoil. Here's one oil that creates sludge.
>I've seen it sludge up rebuilt engines in no time. I just can't bring myself
>to buy a foreign manufacturer's vehicle.
>
>Larry
>Unlock the Universe


For me, that "foreign manufacturer" builts Corollas only a few miles
from my home, and many people in my town make their living there.
Another major "foreign manufacturer" (Honda) builds vehicles just over
100km away in Aliston Ont - and there are a significant number of jobs
in our area supplying parts etc for that plant as well.

Then there is tha "German" company, that builds cars in Bramalea, also
within 100km of here, as well as in Windor, Belvedere Ind., Mexico,
and at least a dozen other places - the company formerly known as
Chrysler.
>
>"toyota1" > wrote in message
alkaboutautos.com...
>| larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
>| cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
>| form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
>| and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
>| breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
>| to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
>sorry
>| you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
>| engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
>| failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
>| transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
>| miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
>| 20k miles and is running perfectly.
>|
>



[email protected] December 19th 04 05:17 AM

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:52:15 -0700, "Larry Crites"
> wrote:

>I don't have sludging problems. Maybe my oil, filter and maintenance
>combinations work. I don't use Pennzoil. Here's one oil that creates sludge.
>I've seen it sludge up rebuilt engines in no time. I just can't bring myself
>to buy a foreign manufacturer's vehicle.
>
>Larry
>Unlock the Universe


For me, that "foreign manufacturer" builts Corollas only a few miles
from my home, and many people in my town make their living there.
Another major "foreign manufacturer" (Honda) builds vehicles just over
100km away in Aliston Ont - and there are a significant number of jobs
in our area supplying parts etc for that plant as well.

Then there is tha "German" company, that builds cars in Bramalea, also
within 100km of here, as well as in Windor, Belvedere Ind., Mexico,
and at least a dozen other places - the company formerly known as
Chrysler.
>
>"toyota1" > wrote in message
alkaboutautos.com...
>| larry, the problem with the 2.7 is that the oil pickup and passages in the
>| cylinder heads are too small and it causes a large amount of sludge to
>| form, thus reducing the oil flow to the top end, and damaging timing chain
>| and valve train. as these are an interference engine, if the timing chain
>| breaks, pistons hit valves, and so on.. ive seen 2.7s with 40k miles on up
>| to 120k miles fail. it all depends on the maintenance of the vehicle.
>sorry
>| you feel that way about toyotas, but my truck with 200k miles and original
>| engine, etc, is much more impressive than my dodge intrepid 2.7 that
>| failed with 45k miles on it, and my dodge truck (used to have) that the
>| transmission failed at 70k, and both had had oil changes done every 4k
>| miles since new, trans fluid flush every 25k. it now has a 3.2 with almost
>| 20k miles and is running perfectly.
>|
>



Larry Crites December 19th 04 07:44 PM

Yes, there are jobs here for "our" people, and their money comes back into
their community. But where do the corporate profits go that pays the big
officer's salaries? There's still a Pentastar in Highland Park. I know,
there is no "American" auto manufacturer anymore, with all the imported
parts, assembly across our border, etc. But, at least the assembly portion
is North American. Besides, I like Canada. Has lots of pretty areas. A lot
of the people are nice, too.

Larry
Unlock the Universe

> wrote in message
...
|
| For me, that "foreign manufacturer" builts Corollas only a few miles
| from my home, and many people in my town make their living there.
| Another major "foreign manufacturer" (Honda) builds vehicles just over
| 100km away in Aliston Ont - and there are a significant number of jobs
| in our area supplying parts etc for that plant as well.
|
| Then there is tha "German" company, that builds cars in Bramalea, also
| within 100km of here, as well as in Windor, Belvedere Ind., Mexico,
| and at least a dozen other places - the company formerly known as
| Chrysler.



Larry Crites December 19th 04 07:44 PM

Yes, there are jobs here for "our" people, and their money comes back into
their community. But where do the corporate profits go that pays the big
officer's salaries? There's still a Pentastar in Highland Park. I know,
there is no "American" auto manufacturer anymore, with all the imported
parts, assembly across our border, etc. But, at least the assembly portion
is North American. Besides, I like Canada. Has lots of pretty areas. A lot
of the people are nice, too.

Larry
Unlock the Universe

> wrote in message
...
|
| For me, that "foreign manufacturer" builts Corollas only a few miles
| from my home, and many people in my town make their living there.
| Another major "foreign manufacturer" (Honda) builds vehicles just over
| 100km away in Aliston Ont - and there are a significant number of jobs
| in our area supplying parts etc for that plant as well.
|
| Then there is tha "German" company, that builds cars in Bramalea, also
| within 100km of here, as well as in Windor, Belvedere Ind., Mexico,
| and at least a dozen other places - the company formerly known as
| Chrysler.



toyota1 December 23rd 04 06:49 PM

The brand new toyota tacoma that i bought had a sticker on it that listed
what percent of the vehicle had been assembled here and what had been done
in japan-- it was 25% japan, 75% usa. there were 4-runners there that were
90% usa, so the "foreign" auto manufacturers are constructing or making
parts for overseas and assemblitng the vehicles here just as much as the
american automakers are-- + ford owns 2 "foreign" manufacturers, and
chrysler owns at least 1, and has for a long time, and chryslers real
headquarters are in Germany, just as Toyotas' headquarters are in japan==
last i new, dieter ziechte, ceo of chrysler, got a 17million dollar bonus
last year, and he lives in germany....


toyota1 December 23rd 04 06:49 PM

The brand new toyota tacoma that i bought had a sticker on it that listed
what percent of the vehicle had been assembled here and what had been done
in japan-- it was 25% japan, 75% usa. there were 4-runners there that were
90% usa, so the "foreign" auto manufacturers are constructing or making
parts for overseas and assemblitng the vehicles here just as much as the
american automakers are-- + ford owns 2 "foreign" manufacturers, and
chrysler owns at least 1, and has for a long time, and chryslers real
headquarters are in Germany, just as Toyotas' headquarters are in japan==
last i new, dieter ziechte, ceo of chrysler, got a 17million dollar bonus
last year, and he lives in germany....


bigdan4712 December 29th 04 06:23 AM

I just purchased a 98 Dodge Intrepid, and my engine blew up in it. It only
had 83k on it, and i pulled out of work only to hear major rattling and
smoking of the engine when i got home. And the sad thing was, I changed
the oil once, and i put over 3 quarts of oil back into it before the
engine blew up. Luckily, I had a warranty on it, but now my dealer
swindled me out of $500 and lied to me about the warranty company. Im in
litigations with him now. What a piece of dog turd. I never even got to
drive for about 2000 miles. Crap. Ill never buy a dodge again.



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