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I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of heat.
Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, although the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never freeze, we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is over 100F. I assume I'm worrying needlessly now, but I'd like to know why. -- Cheers, Bev It's 95% of the lawyers making the other 5% look bad. |
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On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote:
> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of heat. > Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, although > the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never freeze, > we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is > over 100F. > > I assume I'm worrying needlessly now, but I'd like to know why. > > -- > Cheers, Bev > It's 95% of the lawyers making the other 5% look bad. Today's motors have tighter tolerances and need thinner oils to keep things lubricated. |
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m6onz5a > wrote in
: > On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 1:48:52 PM UTC-5, The Real Bev wrote: >> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of >> heat. >> Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, >> although >> the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never >> freeze, we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the >> ambient is over 100F. >> >> I assume I'm worrying needlessly now, but I'd like to know why. >> >> -- >> Cheers, Bev >> It's 95% of the lawyers making the other 5% look bad. > > Today's motors have tighter tolerances and need thinner oils to keep > things lubricated. > sorry but its strictly to meet gas milage specs. I wont use 0 anything unless its dam cold out. or the very select few that need it to run special valve timeing stuff that need a specific oil to function. KB |
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On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 2:48:52 AM UTC+8, The Real Bev wrote:
> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of heat. > Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, although > the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never freeze, > we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is > over 100F. > I am more worried about the viscosity range: why do German "luxury/performace" cars need 0W40 oils? That is expensive crap. |
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On 18/11/2017 12:33 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 2:48:52 AM UTC+8, The Real Bev wrote: >> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of heat. >> Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, although >> the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never freeze, >> we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is >> over 100F. >> > > I am more worried about the viscosity range: why do German "luxury/performace" > cars need 0W40 oils? That is expensive crap. > Extremely low friction requirements. http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/using-t...ht-engine-oil/ Higher viscosity oil (10W-60) delivers higher thermal stability where as lower viscosity oil (5W-40) minimises fuel consumption and emissions by reducing the energy required to circulate the oil. The correct viscosity is specified by the manufacturer and is designed to optimise the efficiency, performance and life of the engine. For example; http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...me-plus-0w-30/ SYNTHOIL LONGTIME PLUS | 0W-30 Special development for VW, Audi, SEAT and SKODA petrol and diesel vehicles with service interval extension (also pump jet engines). The fully synthetic low-viscosity motor oil from the Longlife 2 generation keeps the engine perfectly clean. Exceeds the high Volkswagen test requirements. Reduces fuel consumption in one of the toughest consumption tests in Europe (CEC-L-54-T-96/ MB M 111) by more than 2.5% as compared with the specified reference oil. Fast cold-start oiling provides excellent engine wear protection during the start and warm-up phase. Intended use All-year oil for petrol and diesel engines with and without pump-jet technology. Specially developed for vehicles with service interval extension (German abbreviation: WIV) from Audi, Volkswagen, Seat, Skoda. Tested safe with catalytic converters and turbochargers. -- Xeno |
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On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:35:38 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
> On 18/11/2017 12:33 PM, wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 2:48:52 AM UTC+8, The Real Bev wrote: > >> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of heat. > >> Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, although > >> the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never freeze, > >> we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is > >> over 100F. > >> > > > > I am more worried about the viscosity range: why do German "luxury/performace" > > cars need 0W40 oils? That is expensive crap. > > > Extremely low friction requirements. > > http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/using-t...ht-engine-oil/ > > Higher viscosity oil (10W-60) delivers higher thermal stability where as > lower viscosity oil (5W-40) minimises fuel consumption and emissions by > reducing the energy required to circulate the oil. The correct viscosity > is specified by the manufacturer and is designed to optimise the > efficiency, performance and life of the engine. > > For example; > > http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...me-plus-0w-30/ > > SYNTHOIL LONGTIME PLUS | 0W-30 > > Special development for VW, Audi, SEAT and SKODA petrol and diesel > vehicles with service interval extension (also pump jet engines). > The fully synthetic low-viscosity motor oil from the Longlife 2 > generation keeps the engine perfectly clean. Exceeds the high Volkswagen > test requirements. Reduces fuel consumption in one of the toughest > consumption tests in Europe (CEC-L-54-T-96/ MB M 111) by more than 2.5% > as compared with the specified reference oil. Fast cold-start oiling > provides excellent engine wear protection during the start and warm-up > phase. > > Intended use > All-year oil for petrol and diesel engines with and without pump-jet > technology. Specially developed for vehicles with service interval > extension (German abbreviation: WIV) from Audi, Volkswagen, Seat, Skoda. > Tested safe with catalytic converters and turbochargers. > > > -- > > Xeno Refer to the owners manual. Do what it says. |
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On 11/18/2017 04:48 AM, Xeno wrote:
> On 18/11/2017 1:45 PM, wrote: >> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:35:38 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote: >>> On 18/11/2017 12:33 PM, wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 2:48:52 AM UTC+8, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40. This is SoCal. No freezing, lots of heat. >>>>> Synth oil is nice, but expensive. The concept of 0-20 oil, although >>>>> the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien. We never freeze, >>>>> we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is >>>>> over 100F. >>>> >>>> I am more worried about the viscosity range: why do German "luxury/performace" >>>> cars need 0W40 oils? That is expensive crap. >>>> >>> Extremely low friction requirements. >>> >>> http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/using-t...ht-engine-oil/ >>> >>> Higher viscosity oil (10W-60) delivers higher thermal stability where as >>> lower viscosity oil (5W-40) minimises fuel consumption and emissions by >>> reducing the energy required to circulate the oil. The correct viscosity >>> is specified by the manufacturer and is designed to optimise the >>> efficiency, performance and life of the engine. >>> >>> For example; >>> >>> http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...me-plus-0w-30/ >>> >>> SYNTHOIL LONGTIME PLUS | 0W-30 >>> >>> Special development for VW, Audi, SEAT and SKODA petrol and diesel >>> vehicles with service interval extension (also pump jet engines). >>> The fully synthetic low-viscosity motor oil from the Longlife 2 >>> generation keeps the engine perfectly clean. Exceeds the high Volkswagen >>> test requirements. Reduces fuel consumption in one of the toughest >>> consumption tests in Europe (CEC-L-54-T-96/ MB M 111) by more than 2.5% >>> as compared with the specified reference oil. Fast cold-start oiling >>> provides excellent engine wear protection during the start and warm-up >>> phase. >>> >>> Intended use >>> All-year oil for petrol and diesel engines with and without pump-jet >>> technology. Specially developed for vehicles with service interval >>> extension (German abbreviation: WIV) from Audi, Volkswagen, Seat, Skoda. >>> Tested safe with catalytic converters and turbochargers. >> >> Refer to the owners manual. Do what it says. >> > Pretty much. There are critical additives in these oils for other > specific purposes as well. Deviate from Mfr's specs at your peril. No problem. But I really want to know why 40-weight oil was a proper choice in HOT weather (80mph on a slight uphill across the Mojave in August, for example) a while back but now isn't even an option. -- Cheers, Bev "Life is actually fair. It just doesn't seem to be common knowledge that 'fair' sometimes sucks." -- Jim Cook |
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On 19/11/2017 12:00 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/18/2017 04:48 AM, Xeno wrote: >> On 18/11/2017 1:45 PM, wrote: >>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:35:38 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote: >>>> On 18/11/2017 12:33 PM, wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 2:48:52 AM UTC+8, The Real Bev >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I grew up on 10-30 or 20-40.Â* This is SoCal.Â* No freezing, lots of >>>>>> heat. >>>>>> Â*Â*Â* Synth oil is nice, but expensive.Â* The concept of 0-20 oil, >>>>>> although >>>>>> the manufacturer suggests/demands it, is just alien.Â* We never >>>>>> freeze, >>>>>> we just have to worry about the oil thinning out when the ambient is >>>>>> over 100F. >>>>> >>>>> I am more worried about the viscosity range: why do German >>>>> "luxury/performace" >>>>> cars need 0W40 oils? That is expensive crap. >>>>> >>>> Extremely low friction requirements. >>>> >>>> http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/using-t...ht-engine-oil/ >>>> >>>> Higher viscosity oil (10W-60) delivers higher thermal stability >>>> where as >>>> lower viscosity oil (5W-40) minimises fuel consumption and emissions by >>>> reducing the energy required to circulate the oil. The correct >>>> viscosity >>>> is specified by the manufacturer and is designed to optimise the >>>> efficiency, performance and life of the engine. >>>> >>>> For example; >>>> >>>> http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...me-plus-0w-30/ >>>> >>>> SYNTHOIL LONGTIME PLUS | 0W-30 >>>> >>>> Special development for VW, Audi, SEAT and SKODA petrol and diesel >>>> vehicles with service interval extension (also pump jet engines). >>>> The fully synthetic low-viscosity motor oil from the Longlife 2 >>>> generation keeps the engine perfectly clean. Exceeds the high >>>> Volkswagen >>>> test requirements. Reduces fuel consumption in one of the toughest >>>> consumption tests in Europe (CEC-L-54-T-96/ MB M 111) by more than 2.5% >>>> as compared with the specified reference oil. Fast cold-start oiling >>>> provides excellent engine wear protection during the start and warm-up >>>> phase. >>>> >>>> Intended use >>>> All-year oil for petrol and diesel engines with and without pump-jet >>>> technology. Specially developed for vehicles with service interval >>>> extension (German abbreviation: WIV) from Audi, Volkswagen, Seat, >>>> Skoda. >>>> Tested safe with catalytic converters and turbochargers. >>> >>> Refer to the owners manual. Do what it says. >>> >> Pretty much. There are critical additives in these oils for other >> specific purposes as well. Deviate from Mfr's specs at your peril. > > No problem.Â* But I really want to know why 40-weight oil was a proper > choice in HOT weather (80mph on a slight uphill across the Mojave in > August, for example) a while back but now isn't even an option. > Engines have changed, emissions rules have tightened. -- Xeno |
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Xeno > wrote:
>On 19/11/2017 12:00 PM, The Real Bev wrote: >> No problem.Â* But I really want to know why 40-weight oil was a proper >> choice in HOT weather (80mph on a slight uphill across the Mojave in >> August, for example) a while back but now isn't even an option. >> >Engines have changed, emissions rules have tightened. Likely someone could make a 40-weight oil with the correct additive pack for that engine, but nobody does, because it would be of very limited use. There aren't a lot of people in the Mojave at any given time. They make the oil that is usable over the widest possible applications with the correct additive pack. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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