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I wonder how that would work out ?
Would it be able to run continously for days or possible weeks at a time ? After this latest ice storm I've decided I need some kind of generator that can power the entire farm for extend periods. We were able to power the house but not the well pump, electric fences and a few other things. We were ok but I missed that running water and a shower. The electric fences being on would have been a real good thing to but there were and still are so many trees down on the fence it was shorted out anyways. Randy |
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Porsche had a version of its 356 motor (VW T1 based) that was called a
stationary powerplant and was used for purposes like yours. There must have been a similar VW motor along the line somewhere. I think that if the motor is dialed-in (mixture, timing, etc.) it can just chug along for extended periods. The only question would be just how much of a drag the generator would put on the motor. |
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On Feb 5, 12:56*pm, Speedy Jim > wrote:
> > Not such a bad idea. > > See the variety of alternators this guy has on eBay:http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Georgia-...__W0QQ_armrsZ1 > just as an example. > > Maybe the 8kw ST Generator-alternator head > That puts out 33 Amps at 240V. > or the 12KW for 50 Amps. > > Can be direct-coupled with a special coupling and bellhousing > adapter or even belt driven (1:1 ratio). > > Note that these are 4-pole alternators. > 2-pole cheapies are to be avoided as the engine needs to > run at 3600 RPm instead of leisurely 1800 RPm. > > VW engine will be loafing even with the 12KW load. > > Have a gander at these engines on Samba: "used to bail hay on > Pennsylvania Amish farms in the ‘70s & ‘80s"http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=700422 > > LOL > > Speedy Jimhttp://www.nls.net/mp/volks/ He's got some good stuff but I'm thinking I would definitly need an electrition to hook all that up. I can barely work a light switch. Rany |
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> On Feb 5, 12:56 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: >> Not such a bad idea. >> >> See the variety of alternators this guy has on eBay:http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Georgia-...__W0QQ_armrsZ1 >> just as an example. >> >> Maybe the 8kw ST Generator-alternator head >> That puts out 33 Amps at 240V. >> or the 12KW for 50 Amps. >> >> Can be direct-coupled with a special coupling and bellhousing >> adapter or even belt driven (1:1 ratio). >> >> Note that these are 4-pole alternators. >> 2-pole cheapies are to be avoided as the engine needs to >> run at 3600 RPm instead of leisurely 1800 RPm. >> >> VW engine will be loafing even with the 12KW load. >> >> Have a gander at these engines on Samba: "used to bail hay on >> Pennsylvania Amish farms in the ‘70s & ‘80s"http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=700422 >> >> LOL >> >> Speedy Jimhttp://www.nls.net/mp/volks/ > > He's got some good stuff but I'm thinking I would definitly need an > electrition to hook all that up. I can barely work a light switch. > > Rany Then you should be looking at one of the package units maybe like the Honda: http://www.poweredgenerators.com/honda/EB11000.html Now we're talking real money... Have you got a piece of farm machinery you can do a PTO from? That would shave the costs over a package. Jim |
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On Feb 5, 4:18*pm, Speedy Jim > wrote:
> > Then you should be looking at one of the package units > maybe like the Honda:http://www.poweredgenerators.com/honda/EB11000.html > > Now we're talking real money... > > Have you got a piece of farm machinery you can do > a PTO from? *That would shave the costs over a package. > > Jim I'm just a poor old hillbilly. Could hook 1 up to my tractor's pto but damn I would hate to run up the hours on my john deere. Thats the most expensive thing I own other then the house and farm. Maybe I could put the goats and dogs on a big treadmill instead. Randy |
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> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: > >> Then you should be looking at one of the package units >> maybe like the Honda:http://www.poweredgenerators.com/honda/EB11000.html >> >> Now we're talking real money... >> >> Have you got a piece of farm machinery you can do >> a PTO from? That would shave the costs over a package. >> >> Jim > > I'm just a poor old hillbilly. > Could hook 1 up to my tractor's pto but damn I would hate to run up > the > hours on my john deere. Thats the most expensive thing I own other > then > the house and farm. > Maybe I could put the goats and dogs on a big treadmill instead. > > Randy Or the kitties: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upxtHEeRcOM LOL |
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I believe that VW used to produce some aircooled engines for industrial use
like maybe for generators. These engines were designed to run for long periods of time but only at certain speeds. I think that there was something unique with both the carb and the camshaft. One of my places had a batch of them to sell but this was decades ago. It might have been Topline here in Chicago if I was going to guess which place. I would probably recommend a VW Rabbit Diesel engine in your case. Groban supply, also in Chicago, should be able to set you up with different size generator parts or complete generators. If you are lucky they might have some army surplus units. ;-) -- later, (One out of many daves) > wrote in message ... >I wonder how that would work out ? > Would it be able to run continously for days or possible weeks at a > time ? > > After this latest ice storm I've decided I need some kind of generator > that can power > the entire farm for extend periods. We were able to power the house > but not the > well pump, electric fences and a few other things. We were ok but I > missed that > running water and a shower. > > The electric fences being on would have been a real good thing to but > there were and > still are so many trees down on the fence it was shorted out anyways. > > Randy |
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"Speedy Jim" > wrote in message ... > wrote: >> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: >> >>> Then you should be looking at one of the package units >>> maybe like the Honda:http://www.poweredgenerators.com/honda/EB11000.html >>> >>> Now we're talking real money... For $3,000.00 ya can get a Miller Bobcat welder with 8kw in it and be done with it all and count it off on you're taxes. Michael |
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Michael Rogers wrote:
> "Speedy Jim" > wrote in message > ... >> wrote: >>> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: >>> >>>> Then you should be looking at one of the package units >>>> maybe like the Honda:http://www.poweredgenerators.com/honda/EB11000.html >>>> >>>> Now we're talking real money... > > For $3,000.00 ya can get a Miller Bobcat welder with 8kw in it and be done > with it all and count it off on you're taxes. > > Michael > > Holy Crap! I had no idea. That's a great welder/genset. Kohler or Onan engine too. http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...AT-225-/Detail for 10KW I like the idea to expense it as a necessary "tool" :) Jim |
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>> For $3,000.00 ya can get a Miller Bobcat welder with 8kw in it and be >> done >> with it all and count it off on you're taxes. >> >> Michael > > > Holy Crap! > I had no idea. That's a great welder/genset. > Kohler or Onan engine too. > http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...AT-225-/Detail > for 10KW > > I like the idea to expense it as a necessary "tool" :) Mo than one way to "skin a cat." :) Michael |
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On Feb 6, 4:38�am, "Michael Rogers" > wrote:
> >> For $3,000.00 ya can get a Miller Bobcat welder with 8kw in it and be > >> done > >> with it all and count it off on you're taxes. > > >> Michael > > > Holy Crap! > > I had no idea. �That's a great welder/genset. > > Kohler or Onan engine too. > >http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...MILLER-BOBCAT-... > > for 10KW > > > I like the idea to expense it as a necessary "tool" :) > > Mo than one way to "skin a cat." :) > > Michael A diesel rabbit engine would be the ideal power for a generator , But I too like the welder aspect. |
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On Feb 5, 7:28*pm, "Michael Rogers" > wrote:
> > For $3,000.00 ya can get a Miller Bobcat welder with 8kw in it and be done > with it all and count it off on you're taxes. > > Michael Actually on a farm I can write off any generator as an expense. I gets to write off all sorts of good stuff as expenses..... Randy |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:29:07 +0100, John J > wrote:
> wrote: >> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: > >> I'm just a poor old hillbilly. >> Could hook 1 up to my tractor's pto but damn I would hate to run up >> the >> hours on my john deere. > > Will have to find the picture of the PTO I had on a 1956 Harley-Davidson. I have seen a couple of the original VW Industrial engines as fire pump units, complete with magneto ignition. Comes a a very small trailer. I also think I vaguely remember seeing an original VW Generator setup, the one thing I have never seen in the flesh are the VW Air compressors. And yes, I know some where based on the Porsche 356 engine. J. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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It would work great. They were very popular a few years ago. As a matter of
fact the 009 Distributor was designed specifically for industrial applications with constant speed engines. 30 or 40 HP and <3000 RPM at 200 lbs is a pretty good power plant. Jim |
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http://www.vw-industrial-engines.com....php?id=18&L=1
http://www.mi-uk.com/vw-history/ Volkswagen A.G. first began selling engines for industrial applications in Germany in 1952. They began with the air-cooled boxer engines which were used successfully in the following industries: Agriculture, Forestry, Mining, Marine, Ground Handling, Municipal, Fire-fighting, Construction, Military, Leisure, Power generation, communications...the list goes on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswa..._cooled_engine In 1967-68, portable sawmill maker, Mighty Mite of Portland, OR., used VW gasoline engines to power the circular saw blades of light sawmills. Later as the US market for VW Beetles declined, the sawmill was modified for other power. "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:29:07 +0100, John J > wrote: > >> wrote: >>> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: >> >>> I'm just a poor old hillbilly. >>> Could hook 1 up to my tractor's pto but damn I would hate to run up >>> the >>> hours on my john deere. >> >> Will have to find the picture of the PTO I had on a 1956 Harley-Davidson. > > I have seen a couple of the original VW Industrial engines as fire pump > units, complete with magneto ignition. Comes a a very small trailer. > I also think I vaguely remember seeing an original VW Generator setup, the > one thing I have never seen in the flesh are the VW Air compressors. > And yes, I know some where based on the Porsche 356 engine. > J. > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > |
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P.J.Berg wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:29:07 +0100, John J > wrote: > >> wrote: >>> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: >> >>> I'm just a poor old hillbilly. >>> Could hook 1 up to my tractor's pto but damn I would hate to run up >>> the >>> hours on my john deere. >> >> Will have to find the picture of the PTO I had on a 1956 Harley-Davidson. > > I have seen a couple of the original VW Industrial engines as fire pump > units, complete with magneto ignition. Comes a a very small trailer. > I also think I vaguely remember seeing an original VW Generator setup, > the one thing I have never seen in the flesh are the VW Air compressors. > And yes, I know some where based on the Porsche 356 engine. > J. > Bet you never saw one o' these: http://www.ringsurf.com/ring_browser.php?id=132227 scroll to bottom of page. Jim |
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In 1980 I worked for the Univ of Florida at their research station in Ft
Pierce, Florida. We had a citrus tree sprayer (trailer drawn blower) that was powered by ... a VW engine. "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote in message ... > http://www.vw-industrial-engines.com....php?id=18&L=1 > > http://www.mi-uk.com/vw-history/ > Volkswagen A.G. first began selling engines for industrial applications in > Germany in 1952. They began with the air-cooled boxer engines which were > used successfully in the following industries: Agriculture, Forestry, > Mining, Marine, Ground Handling, Municipal, Fire-fighting, Construction, > Military, Leisure, Power generation, communications...the list goes on. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswa..._cooled_engine > In 1967-68, portable sawmill maker, Mighty Mite of Portland, OR., used VW > gasoline engines to power the circular saw blades of light sawmills. Later > as the US market for VW Beetles declined, the sawmill was modified for > other power. > > > > > "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message > ... >> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:29:07 +0100, John J > wrote: >> >>> wrote: >>>> On Feb 5, 4:18 pm, Speedy Jim > wrote: >>> >>>> I'm just a poor old hillbilly. >>>> Could hook 1 up to my tractor's pto but damn I would hate to run up >>>> the >>>> hours on my john deere. >>> >>> Will have to find the picture of the PTO I had on a 1956 >>> Harley-Davidson. >> >> I have seen a couple of the original VW Industrial engines as fire pump >> units, complete with magneto ignition. Comes a a very small trailer. >> I also think I vaguely remember seeing an original VW Generator setup, >> the one thing I have never seen in the flesh are the VW Air compressors. >> And yes, I know some where based on the Porsche 356 engine. >> J. >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> > > |
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We,d have a wide use for something down here in Aust. Upper half of East
Coast (Queeensland) is under flood water and bottom half ( New SouthWales/Victoria) is dry and up to 120DegF!. Air Con in the south and water pumping in the North. John |
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Take care down under!
I have just heard about the fires breaking out due to the record breaking heatwave. later, One out of many daves "John" > wrote in message ... > We,d have a wide use for something down here in Aust. Upper half of East > Coast (Queeensland) is under flood water and bottom half ( New > SouthWales/Victoria) is dry and up to 120DegF!. Air Con in the south and > water pumping in the North. > John > |
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Thanks, We are about 50 miles north of Sydney and 10 miles as the crow
flies from nearest fire but down Victoria entire towns/villages have ceased to exist. More than a suspicion that a lot of the fires have been deliberately lit making it worse. Bizarre when you look at Queensland( north) and its up to 3 metres underwater.! |
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On Feb 5, 8:42*am, wrote:
> I wonder how that would work out ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Works good. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Would it be able to run continously for days or possible weeks at a > time ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. In fact, setting up a motor-generator is the easy part. The hard part is managing your FUEL SUPPLY. That probably sounds a bit odd but when you become your own power company you're going to find that storing fuel is the biggest headache. This is largely because gasoline doesn't store very well. It is brewed up & sold with the intention of being used within THREE MONTHS OR LESS. If you want to store it for more than three months you'll have to add special stabilizers to it. If you're serious about an auxiliary power system you'll probably end up using PROPANE. It can be stored for years without any problems. Kits to convert most engines -- including VW's -- are available. In seriously cold climates you generally have two tanks of fuel, a small one that is kept above freezing and your big tank, which may hold 2000 gallons or more. That's because propane has a lot less energy than gasoline; you'll have to burn more of it to get the same amount of electricity. Once the engine is started with the 'warm' tank, the exhaust from the engine is fed to the insulated cover over the big tank, raising the temperature. (Why? Because propane needs quite a bit of heat to change from a liquid to a gas.) Also, you will have a 'vaporizor' on the engine. Most of these are designed for water- cooled engines; water from the head is fed through the vaporizor. With a VW you generally use the ENGINE OIL as your source of vaporization heat. But yes, using a VW as an auxiliary power plant is a pretty smart idea. Unlike most other systems, it doesn't have anything to FREEZE :-) -Bob Hoover |
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Bob Hoover wrote:
> On Feb 5, 8:42 am, wrote: >> I wonder how that would work out ? > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Works good. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Would it be able to run continously for days or possible weeks at a >> time ? > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yes. > > In fact, setting up a motor-generator is the easy part. The hard part > is managing your FUEL SUPPLY. That probably sounds a bit odd but when > you become your own power company you're going to find that storing > fuel is the biggest headache. This is largely because gasoline > doesn't store very well. It is brewed up & sold with the intention of > being used within THREE MONTHS OR LESS. If you want to store it for > more than three months you'll have to add special stabilizers to it. That's american fuel. LOL. Fuel in Europe stays good for MUCH longer. You can park a car for a year or two, and come back and fire it up like nothing. Lawnmowers, chainsaws, etc. usually hibernate for over 6 months, and nobody I know ever replaces the fuel in the beginning of the season. They start right up with whatever is in the tank. American gasoline smells different too. And when it gets old, it gets that varnish smell to it and turns yellow. That doesn't happen in Finland.. Jan |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:12:30 +0100, Jan Andersson > wrote:
> Bob Hoover wrote: >> On Feb 5, 8:42 am, wrote: >>> I wonder how that would work out ? >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Works good. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Would it be able to run continously for days or possible weeks at a >>> time ? >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Yes. >> In fact, setting up a motor-generator is the easy part. The hard part >> is managing your FUEL SUPPLY. That probably sounds a bit odd but when >> you become your own power company you're going to find that storing >> fuel is the biggest headache. This is largely because gasoline >> doesn't store very well. It is brewed up & sold with the intention of >> being used within THREE MONTHS OR LESS. If you want to store it for >> more than three months you'll have to add special stabilizers to it. > > That's american fuel. LOL. > Fuel in Europe stays good for MUCH longer. You can park a car for a year > or two, and come back and fire it up like nothing. Lawnmowers, > chainsaws, etc. usually hibernate for over 6 months, and nobody I know > ever replaces the fuel in the beginning of the season. They start right > up with whatever is in the tank. > > American gasoline smells different too. And when it gets old, it gets > that varnish smell to it and turns yellow. That doesn't happen in > Finland.. > > Jan It has been like the Yank fuel in Norway for some time now. That being said, it last a lot longer than the fuel companies 3 month warranty. J. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On Thursday, 5 February 2009 16:42:09 UTC, wrote:
> I wonder how that would work out ? > Would it be able to run continously for days or possible weeks at a > time ? > > After this latest ice storm I've decided I need some kind of generator > that can power > the entire farm for extend periods. We were able to power the house > but not the > well pump, electric fences and a few other things. We were ok but I > missed that > running water and a shower. > > The electric fences being on would have been a real good thing to but > there were and > still are so many trees down on the fence it was shorted out anyways. > > Randy A Volkswagon 'beetle' engine generator set was recently bought by Drew Pritchard in the 'Salvage Hunters TV series (on Quest TV in UK) Drew bought it as he thought it was a genuine VW built bit of kit. Not so sure though, I think it was something 'made up' using a car engine. It was not running & from memory he paid about £300 for it. His wife was not taken with it when he got it back to his antiques emporium. |
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