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I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
few car mass production companies that are impervious to
the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.

Bmw was like that before the numb electric
steering went on 3xx (in F90?) and the upcoming front wheel drive
1xx ****mobile.

Am I wrong here and did Porsche manage to produce
some ****ty cars in their history I'm unaware of?

Please update my perspective.

The thread does not have to be limited to cars
and the ****ty newage driveline layouts :^)

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On 8/21/2013 6:56 AM, wrote:
> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>
> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
> steering went on 3xx (in F90?) and the upcoming front wheel drive
> 1xx ****mobile.

F30. E90/1/2/3 was the previous generation. I haven't yet driven an
F30, but from everything I hear I am not missing much apparently.

>
> Am I wrong here and did Porsche manage to produce
> some ****ty cars in their history I'm unaware of?
>
> Please update my perspective.
>
> The thread does not have to be limited to cars
> and the ****ty newage driveline layouts :^)
>

Well, there was the Lohner-Porsche hybrid, so you can't call them
"newage" - but I personally couldn't see me ever buying a Panamera or a
Cayenne. (or a BMW X-anything for that matter.)

nate

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On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.

what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't for
"marketing". just like bmw.


>
> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)

there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
significantly better since it's much more controllable.

if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
"soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
wrong with electric in principle.


> and the upcoming front wheel drive
> 1xx ****mobile.

imo, the people that complain about fwd don't know how to drive fwd.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND6aoEPLxYU>
do your homework - that "****mobile" beat 4wd's in its day. as did the
original mini's beat the rwd's of their day.


>
> Am I wrong here and did Porsche manage to produce
> some ****ty cars in their history I'm unaware of?

914? 924? 928?


>
> Please update my perspective.
>
> The thread does not have to be limited to cars
> and the ****ty newage driveline layouts :^)

relax dude - if you don't like them, don't drive them.


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On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>
> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't for
> "marketing". just like bmw.
>
>
>>
>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>
> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>
> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
> wrong with electric in principle.

You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and that's a
pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
differentiated from the Japanese competition.

Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next car if
the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are going to
be making in the future.

nate

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On 08/21/2013 05:52 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>>
>> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't for
>> "marketing". just like bmw.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>>
>> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
>> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
>> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>>
>> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
>> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
>> wrong with electric in principle.
>
> You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
> feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and that's a
> pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
> uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
> appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
> car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
> Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
> the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
> makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
> cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
> differentiated from the Japanese competition.
>
> Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next car if
> the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are going to
> be making in the future.
>
> nate

quitcherbitching and buy an evo.


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On 8/21/2013 7:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>
>> Am I wrong here and did Porsche manage to produce
>> some ****ty cars in their history I'm unaware of?
>
> 914? 924? 928?
>
356? 911? 912?

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On 8/21/2013 10:11 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/21/2013 05:52 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>>>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>>>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>>>
>>> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't for
>>> "marketing". just like bmw.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>>>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>>>
>>> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
>>> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
>>> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>>>
>>> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
>>> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
>>> wrong with electric in principle.
>>
>> You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
>> feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and that's a
>> pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
>> uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
>> appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
>> car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
>> Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
>> the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
>> makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
>> cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
>> differentiated from the Japanese competition.
>>
>> Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next car if
>> the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are going to
>> be making in the future.
>>
>> nate
>
> quitcherbitching and buy an evo.
>
>
I wish the Japanese still made cars like this one:
<http://chrisoncars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3716724671_f0b9f008cb.jpg>.

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On 08/21/2013 08:46 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 8/21/2013 10:11 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/21/2013 05:52 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>>>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>>>>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>>>>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>>>>
>>>> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't
>>>> for
>>>> "marketing". just like bmw.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>>>>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>>>>
>>>> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
>>>> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
>>>> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>>>>
>>>> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
>>>> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
>>>> wrong with electric in principle.
>>>
>>> You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
>>> feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and that's a
>>> pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
>>> uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
>>> appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
>>> car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
>>> Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
>>> the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
>>> makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
>>> cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
>>> differentiated from the Japanese competition.
>>>
>>> Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next car if
>>> the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are going to
>>> be making in the future.
>>>
>>> nate
>>
>> quitcherbitching and buy an evo.
>>
>>
> I wish the Japanese still made cars like this one:
> <http://chrisoncars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3716724671_f0b9f008cb.jpg>.
>
>

these things are interesting too:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_AE86>
and let's not forget the datsun 2000's

but the crx is the one that still rocks my world.


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On 8/21/2013 11:04 PM, jim beam wrote:
> On 08/21/2013 08:46 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
>> On 8/21/2013 10:11 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> On 08/21/2013 05:52 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>> On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>>>>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>>>>>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>>>>>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't
>>>>> for
>>>>> "marketing". just like bmw.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>>>>>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>>>>>
>>>>> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
>>>>> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
>>>>> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>>>>>
>>>>> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
>>>>> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing fundamentally
>>>>> wrong with electric in principle.
>>>>
>>>> You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
>>>> feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and that's a
>>>> pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
>>>> uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
>>>> appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
>>>> car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
>>>> Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
>>>> the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
>>>> makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
>>>> cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
>>>> differentiated from the Japanese competition.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next
>>>> car if
>>>> the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are
>>>> going to
>>>> be making in the future.
>>>>
>>>> nate
>>>
>>> quitcherbitching and buy an evo.
>>>
>>>
>> I wish the Japanese still made cars like this one:
>> <http://chrisoncars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3716724671_f0b9f008cb.jpg>.
>>
>>
>>
>
> these things are interesting too:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_AE86>
> and let's not forget the datsun 2000's
>
> but the crx is the one that still rocks my world.
>
>
Now this is a car to die for!

<http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/trikerider/Cars%20I%20Have%20Owned/003DatsonF10.jpg>

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On 08/21/2013 09:52 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
> On 8/21/2013 11:04 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/21/2013 08:46 PM, T0m $herman wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2013 10:11 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>> On 08/21/2013 05:52 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>> On 8/21/2013 8:33 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/21/2013 03:56 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm under the impression that Porsche is among very
>>>>>>> few car mass production companies that are impervious to
>>>>>>> the "valuable input" from the marketing folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what are you talking about??? porsche wouldn't /exist/ if it wasn't
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> "marketing". just like bmw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bmw was like that before the numb electric
>>>>>>> steering went on 3xx (in F90?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there's nothing wrong with electric steering assist any more with
>>>>>> hydraulic power assist. in fact, it has the potential to be
>>>>>> significantly better since it's much more controllable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you think it should have different modes such as "sport feel" and
>>>>>> "soccer mom feel", you have a point, but there's nothing
>>>>>> fundamentally
>>>>>> wrong with electric in principle.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are correct that there's nothing wrong with it in principle, but
>>>>> feedback from owners of older model BMWs (even E9x owners, and
>>>>> that's a
>>>>> pretty big, soft car for a 3er) who have driven a F30 are pretty much
>>>>> uniformly negative. Or in other words, they tuned it wrong. It would
>>>>> appear that BMW is diverging farther and farther away from its "sports
>>>>> car in a small sedan body" roots and attempting to sell more upscale
>>>>> Civics and Camrys. Predictably, this is causing disappointment among
>>>>> the faithful, and I have to wonder how many current owners of Japanese
>>>>> makes are going to make the switch and put up with the higher running
>>>>> cost of a BMW when the driving experience becomes less and less
>>>>> differentiated from the Japanese competition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I could easily be tempted to turn Japanese for my next
>>>>> car if
>>>>> the BRZ is any indication of what kind of cars the Japanese are
>>>>> going to
>>>>> be making in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> nate
>>>>
>>>> quitcherbitching and buy an evo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I wish the Japanese still made cars like this one:
>>> <http://chrisoncars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3716724671_f0b9f008cb.jpg>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> these things are interesting too:
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_AE86>
>> and let's not forget the datsun 2000's
>>
>> but the crx is the one that still rocks my world.
>>
>>
> Now this is a car to die for!
>
> <http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/trikerider/Cars%20I%20Have%20Owned/003DatsonF10.jpg>
>
>

funny guy


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