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Smarty February 27th 13 10:40 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 
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tww1491 February 28th 13 01:01 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 
I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370 Nissan
Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck automatic,
a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.

"Smarty" wrote in message ...

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Smarty February 28th 13 03:39 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 
On 2/28/2013 8:01 AM, tww1491 wrote:
> I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370
> Nissan Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard
> truck automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>

Bigger market, more revenue, more exposure of their product......

uncle_vito February 28th 13 07:05 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 

"tww1491" > wrote in message
...
>I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370 Nissan
>Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck
>automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>
> "Smarty" wrote in message ...
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/chevy...ent=emailshare
>
>



I do not see the point either. If you want a cheaper Vette, just by the
regular one after it is a few years old.

Vito



Smarty March 1st 13 06:12 AM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 
On 2/28/2013 2:05 PM, uncle_vito wrote:
> "tww1491" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370 Nissan
>> Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck
>> automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>>
>> "Smarty" wrote in message ...
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/chevy...ent=emailshare
>>
>>

>
> I do not see the point either. If you want a cheaper Vette, just by the
> regular one after it is a few years old.
>
> Vito
>
>

GM wants to sell more cars. A lower cost Corvette will attract more
buyers. GM gains no benefit when somebody buys a 'regular one' when it
is a few years old.

uncle_vito March 1st 13 01:06 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 

"Smarty" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/28/2013 2:05 PM, uncle_vito wrote:
>> "tww1491" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370
>>> Nissan
>>> Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck
>>> automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>>>
>>> "Smarty" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/chevy...ent=emailshare
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I do not see the point either. If you want a cheaper Vette, just by the
>> regular one after it is a few years old.
>>
>> Vito
>>
>>

> GM wants to sell more cars. A lower cost Corvette will attract more
> buyers. GM gains no benefit when somebody buys a 'regular one' when it is
> a few years old.


Yes, but a Corvette is a "prestige" auto. No prestige in buying a cheaper
one. Also GM better watch out. When the fixed window coupe came out
years ago, its chassis stiffness made it the car to buy for max performance.
The cheaper car actually becomes the more desireable one.



Dad[_2_] March 1st 13 03:05 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 

"uncle_vito" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Smarty" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/28/2013 2:05 PM, uncle_vito wrote:
>>> "tww1491" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370
>>>> Nissan
>>>> Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck
>>>> automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>>>>
>>>> "Smarty" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/chevy...ent=emailshare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do not see the point either. If you want a cheaper Vette, just by
>>> the
>>> regular one after it is a few years old.
>>>
>>> Vito
>>>
>>>

>> GM wants to sell more cars. A lower cost Corvette will attract more
>> buyers. GM gains no benefit when somebody buys a 'regular one' when it is
>> a few years old.

>
> Yes, but a Corvette is a "prestige" auto. No prestige in buying a
> cheaper one. Also GM better watch out. When the fixed window coupe
> came out years ago, its chassis stiffness made it the car to buy for max
> performance. The cheaper car actually becomes the more desireable one.
>

Lets correct a few things here, first off it was 1999 and was called a fixed
roof coupe with the bonded body it made the car 12% stiffer, the chassis and
other assorted parts were the same. The bonded body was the reason for the
added stiffness not a chassis change, plus it was 80# lighter. Option
restrictions, like color (WOW) made it a different buying experience, 4031
sold that year. Price was $394 less than a base coupe, another wow with less
emphasis. So much for being the "desirable one."

Then in 2000 the marketing strategy of GM kicked into gear and the added
wheel change pushed the sales to a whopping 2090 of the 33,682 sold that
year at $575 lower price. That year the base coupes that had some engine
tweaks were kicking the FRCs ass on the tracks. Now come the 2001 Z06
option, add on, engine changes (385 HP), and the ever coveted "price hike"
back to WOW. Now the Corvette buyer had everything, more power for more
money and bragging rights. In 2002 the lowly (FRC) Z06 now topped the base
coupe price by $8,700 with 405 HP and they sold 8297, high HP and a high
price sells Corvette, carry on GM.

Time passes and the "NEW" C6, skin change, wheel spacing, and bells and
whistles with pretty lights here and there hits the streets with a lower
base price??? Next they take the Z06 back to the full coupe design with new
fenders, 427 CID, and more bragging rights for nearly a 50% increase.

Now GM is going to start this parade of incompetence over again with a
smaller engine? I was planning to have a 7th generation Corvette since I've
owned all 6 and most likely could use an automatic at this age but this new
design is like a fart during sex. Somehow I think I can get along with what
I have, plus there is no reason to be seen it the new design be it bragging
rights (?) or anything else. Used to be that people would point at the
Corvette and wishfully smile, now there's a good chance they will point and
laugh.



Smarty March 1st 13 03:52 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 
On 3/1/2013 10:05 AM, Dad wrote:
> "uncle_vito" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Smarty" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2/28/2013 2:05 PM, uncle_vito wrote:
>>>> "tww1491" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370
>>>>> Nissan
>>>>> Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck
>>>>> automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Smarty" wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/chevy...ent=emailshare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I do not see the point either. If you want a cheaper Vette, just by
>>>> the
>>>> regular one after it is a few years old.
>>>>
>>>> Vito
>>>>
>>>>
>>> GM wants to sell more cars. A lower cost Corvette will attract more
>>> buyers. GM gains no benefit when somebody buys a 'regular one' when it is
>>> a few years old.

>> Yes, but a Corvette is a "prestige" auto. No prestige in buying a
>> cheaper one. Also GM better watch out. When the fixed window coupe
>> came out years ago, its chassis stiffness made it the car to buy for max
>> performance. The cheaper car actually becomes the more desireable one.
>>

> Lets correct a few things here, first off it was 1999 and was called a fixed
> roof coupe with the bonded body it made the car 12% stiffer, the chassis and
> other assorted parts were the same. The bonded body was the reason for the
> added stiffness not a chassis change, plus it was 80# lighter. Option
> restrictions, like color (WOW) made it a different buying experience, 4031
> sold that year. Price was $394 less than a base coupe, another wow with less
> emphasis. So much for being the "desirable one."
>
> Then in 2000 the marketing strategy of GM kicked into gear and the added
> wheel change pushed the sales to a whopping 2090 of the 33,682 sold that
> year at $575 lower price. That year the base coupes that had some engine
> tweaks were kicking the FRCs ass on the tracks. Now come the 2001 Z06
> option, add on, engine changes (385 HP), and the ever coveted "price hike"
> back to WOW. Now the Corvette buyer had everything, more power for more
> money and bragging rights. In 2002 the lowly (FRC) Z06 now topped the base
> coupe price by $8,700 with 405 HP and they sold 8297, high HP and a high
> price sells Corvette, carry on GM.
>
> Time passes and the "NEW" C6, skin change, wheel spacing, and bells and
> whistles with pretty lights here and there hits the streets with a lower
> base price??? Next they take the Z06 back to the full coupe design with new
> fenders, 427 CID, and more bragging rights for nearly a 50% increase.
>
> Now GM is going to start this parade of incompetence over again with a
> smaller engine? I was planning to have a 7th generation Corvette since I've
> owned all 6 and most likely could use an automatic at this age but this new
> design is like a fart during sex. Somehow I think I can get along with what
> I have, plus there is no reason to be seen it the new design be it bragging
> rights (?) or anything else. Used to be that people would point at the
> Corvette and wishfully smile, now there's a good chance they will point and
> laugh.
>

Vito and Dad,

I think we all agree that this move by GM is not necessarily a good one,
and that the prestige and mystique of the Corvette will somehow be
reduced if another lower cost model is introduced.

Plain old fashion greed is at work here, and Porsche Boxsters, Caymans,
and other watered-down versions of the more deluxe 911 unfortunately
create this type of competitive pressure for GM to imitate / match.

FWIW, I am still lusting for the C7 convertible and I wait impatiently
until next year for it to arrive.


uncle_vito March 1st 13 04:49 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 

"Dad" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "uncle_vito" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Smarty" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2/28/2013 2:05 PM, uncle_vito wrote:
>>>> "tww1491" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I would guess the "cheap" vette would compete with cars like the 370
>>>>> Nissan
>>>>> Z with a commensurate price. Likely come with the standard truck
>>>>> automatic, a/c, accessories etc. I don't see the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Smarty" wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/chevy...ent=emailshare
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not see the point either. If you want a cheaper Vette, just by
>>>> the
>>>> regular one after it is a few years old.
>>>>
>>>> Vito
>>>>
>>>>
>>> GM wants to sell more cars. A lower cost Corvette will attract more
>>> buyers. GM gains no benefit when somebody buys a 'regular one' when it
>>> is a few years old.

>>
>> Yes, but a Corvette is a "prestige" auto. No prestige in buying a
>> cheaper one. Also GM better watch out. When the fixed window coupe
>> came out years ago, its chassis stiffness made it the car to buy for max
>> performance. The cheaper car actually becomes the more desireable one.
>>

> Lets correct a few things here, first off it was 1999 and was called a
> fixed roof coupe with the bonded body it made the car 12% stiffer, the
> chassis and other assorted parts were the same. The bonded body was the
> reason for the added stiffness not a chassis change, plus it was 80#
> lighter. Option restrictions, like color (WOW) made it a different buying
> experience, 4031 sold that year. Price was $394 less than a base coupe,
> another wow with less emphasis. So much for being the "desirable one."
>
> Then in 2000 the marketing strategy of GM kicked into gear and the added
> wheel change pushed the sales to a whopping 2090 of the 33,682 sold that
> year at $575 lower price. That year the base coupes that had some engine
> tweaks were kicking the FRCs ass on the tracks. Now come the 2001 Z06
> option, add on, engine changes (385 HP), and the ever coveted "price hike"
> back to WOW. Now the Corvette buyer had everything, more power for more
> money and bragging rights. In 2002 the lowly (FRC) Z06 now topped the
> base coupe price by $8,700 with 405 HP and they sold 8297, high HP and a
> high price sells Corvette, carry on GM.
>
> Time passes and the "NEW" C6, skin change, wheel spacing, and bells and
> whistles with pretty lights here and there hits the streets with a lower
> base price??? Next they take the Z06 back to the full coupe design with
> new fenders, 427 CID, and more bragging rights for nearly a 50% increase.
>
> Now GM is going to start this parade of incompetence over again with a
> smaller engine? I was planning to have a 7th generation Corvette since
> I've owned all 6 and most likely could use an automatic at this age but
> this new design is like a fart during sex. Somehow I think I can get along
> with what I have, plus there is no reason to be seen it the new design be
> it bragging rights (?) or anything else. Used to be that people would
> point at the Corvette and wishfully smile, now there's a good chance they
> will point and laugh.
>


Thanks for the correction and your knowledge. After I slept on it I
realized it was Fixed Roof Coupe. Going to the Peterson Museum in downtown
Los Angeles tomorrow with my Corvette Club to see the new C7. Will take
photos. Have not been to the Peterson in a while. About 30 min away
from where I live but in the CITY. Arg.



Dad[_1_] March 1st 13 05:17 PM

New Corvette C7 lower cost basic coupe
 

"uncle_vito" > wrote in message
...
>

Snip
> Thanks for the correction and your knowledge. After I slept on it
> I realized it was Fixed Roof Coupe. Going to the Peterson Museum
> in downtown Los Angeles tomorrow with my Corvette Club to see the
> new C7. Will take photos. Have not been to the Peterson in a
> while. About 30 min away from where I live but in the CITY. Arg.
>

I have a soft spot for their engine over the DOHV designs and did like
the seats but they just blew it on the body design. I'd take the old
design of the Lexus SC300 any day but they dumped their V8 this year..
Then there's the brutal design cues of the Lamborghini that could have
sent the C7 over the top instead of the Ford method of adding chrome,
vents, and scoops. The only thing they took from the 2009 concept car
was the stingray and the nose flag emblem. So sad. The Corvette design
should be a leap ahead not and added wrinkle.



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